1979 Sheltie Posted May 31, 2013 Report Share Posted May 31, 2013 So it reached the front page of the times and now there is a facebook page dedicated to it, with two barges now here and the number of workers starting to increase are we set for a troublesome few years in our pubs at the weekend ?Is enough getting done about this problem by the companies employing the workers ?Should it not be the case that they are here to work, not booze in the local pubs and cause trouble, i thought they were working seven days a week ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghostrider Posted May 31, 2013 Report Share Posted May 31, 2013 Why are they spreading them all over the place, what's the thinking behind it? Firth and Toft Camps plus the two accomodation boats did the job without giving locals much grief when Sullom was being built, so what would be wrong with mooring the three barges where or in the general area where the boats were? The bus firms running folk back and fore are probably delighted, but beyond them I'm struggling to see any advantage to anybody. A few businesses in Lerrik and Scallawa will probably gain some trade, but if there's problems and ill feeling as a result that keeps locals from using them so much, its a bit of a poison chalice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1979 Sheltie Posted May 31, 2013 Author Report Share Posted May 31, 2013 when the workers were here during the Sullom Voe terminal construction was there not a full consultation done on the impact to the local communities with such an influx of workers ? It seems that this whole project has been a case of desperation to get the contracts signed and little thought of the problems which might arise. Were the council to preoccupied with the potential income from the gas plant ? Where are the Community Liaison Officers that Total should be providing to assess and deal with any problems or trouble ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unlinkedstudent Posted May 31, 2013 Report Share Posted May 31, 2013 A significant proportion of the blame should lie with the landlords. If someone is the worse for wear (or even getting close to it) then they shouldn't be serving them, simples ... ... or is it a case that the landlords are just after the money they spend and to hell with their regular customers and the local community? I suspect that the landlords are more than happy with the additional trade but if complaints are made by locals and the Police, it could well be that the Licensing Committee take a dim view. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scorrie Posted May 31, 2013 Report Share Posted May 31, 2013 A significant proportion of the blame should lie with the landlords. If someone is the worse for wear (or even getting close to it) then they shouldn't be serving them, simples ... ... or is it a case that the landlords are just after the money they spend and to hell with their regular customers and the local community? I suspect that the landlords are more than happy with the additional trade but if complaints are made by locals and the Police, it could well be that the Licensing Committee take a dim view. Easier said than done. A group of plebs can come in and be well behaved at first and then go out of their way to be a bunch of pilticks without being pished. Seen it loads of times. Unless a 'potential squeeky clean poop tube' scanner is fitted to the entrance of the pub there's always going to be a problem spotting non-local troublemakers before it kicks off. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colin Posted May 31, 2013 Report Share Posted May 31, 2013 Here we go again.... Made the front page of the times and, mercy me, got a facebook page as well. These people must, surely, all be "the spawn of the devil". Are we going to get a troublesome few years? Probably no more troublesome than the few we have just had.. AFAIK, and according to the local police, there has been no 'criminal' behaviour associated with these incoming workers and the companies that employ them take their 'civic responsibilities' very seriously. eg; tracking devices in company vehicles.. Exceed 60mph and you get a mandatory driving course (or something similar). Do it twice and you get a weeks suspension. 3 times and your out.... If only this rule could be applied to some of the local drivers I know. Any 'bother' with the police and you're out.. And as for working 7 days a week etc.. It might have escaped the notice of some people but, slavery was abolished in the UK some time ago. Are we to assume that these workers must live in some kind of self imposed exile and have no social life whatsoever? They are ALL here to work and boozing(?) in the local pubs is not the sole preserve of the local population. Landlords (and their staff) may certainly attract some criticism but, as someone who has worked in bars, it can be extremely difficult to know(?) when someone has had to much and, quite often, refusing to supply any more alcohol is the most likely cause of trouble starting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spinner72 Posted May 31, 2013 Report Share Posted May 31, 2013 eg; tracking devices in company vehicles.. Exceed 60mph and you get a mandatory driving course (or something similar). Do it twice and you get a weeks suspension. 3 times and your out.... If only this rule could be applied to some of the local drivers I know. I know some local firms, and certainly the council, do this and it would be a great idea for the visiting contractors, as the amount of excessive speeding in marked vehicles is very obvious to anyone who regularly drives between the Sullom Voe area and Lerwick. Regarding the fighting etc, although it may be centered around pubs lets remember it doesn't have to be drink related. Perhaps some company sponsored and monitored CCTV would help Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CHUCK NORR1S Posted May 31, 2013 Report Share Posted May 31, 2013 I'm not sure if a lot of people know this but there is a third barge coming, it's a four storey one and is going to be positioned opposite the Thule. A total f'ing eyesore in the middle of the harbour, a nice welcome for the tourists. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sheltie53 Posted June 1, 2013 Report Share Posted June 1, 2013 WHO THE HELL IS RESPONSIBLE FOR FOR THIS.And yes I do realise that I am shouting as should every Islander., Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RFR937 Posted June 1, 2013 Report Share Posted June 1, 2013 WHO THE HELL IS RESPONSIBLE FOR FOR THIS.And yes I do realise that I am shouting as should every Islander., Exactly what are you shouting about?There's only been 2 sensible posts on this thread and Colins is without doubt the best (thank god someone can see further than their own naval), of course there are huge advantages to the whole population of Shetland , how could anyone think that only a few companies would gain from this influx of people, according to media reports the barge in Scalloway will put £500000 a year directly into the local economy in harbour dues ,it would be sensible to assume the ones in Lerwick would be similar , these amounts are outwith what the men themselves will spend on the islands , let alone all the companies who'll make money from all their needs be they food or fuel and everything in between, how can any of this been seen as negative? This period in the islands history should be looked at as a boom time and certaily not in a negative way! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spinner72 Posted June 1, 2013 Report Share Posted June 1, 2013 ^^ Nobody can deny that financially this is a boom time. That's not the issue here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RFR937 Posted June 1, 2013 Report Share Posted June 1, 2013 ^^ Nobody can deny that financially this is a boom time. That's not the issue here. So the problem is that there's people spending money in the pubs ? Obviously there will always be some muppets who will take it too far but that's just a game of odds , not as if the locals are any different or am I missing something ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1979 Sheltie Posted June 1, 2013 Author Report Share Posted June 1, 2013 ^^ Nobody can deny that financially this is a boom time. That's not the issue here. So the problem is that there's people spending money in the pubs ? Obviously there will always be some muppets who will take it too far but that's just a game of odds , not as if the locals are any different or am I missing something ? Yes your missing something , the subject of the thread is about the behaviour and conduct of traveling workers while drinking in licence premises within our isles and the impact on the local community. It is nothing to do with the economic growth in Shetland due to the gas plant construction and Sullom Voe works whether its a boom time or not is completely irrelevant, the important thing to note is that the wider community is concerned with whats been going on, there is an issue there, so its no good trying to hide it. Better policing is needed, the companies should have more responsibility and be employing liason officers, the fact is that they are not doing enough at the moment and thats why we are at the current situation. Its was a typically obvious responce from the police of trying to play down the problem and to settle the minds of the public. But if Colin or anyone else believe's that there has been no criminal activity related to the traveling workers then im afraid they are mistaken. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colin Posted June 1, 2013 Report Share Posted June 1, 2013 Yes your missing something , the subject of the thread is about the behaviour and conduct of traveling workers while drinking in licence premises within our isles and the impact on the local community Yes, and coupled to the behaviour and conduct of some of the locals, it must be way to much for the local plod to cope with.. Get a grip man... It's just the old 'soothmoother' argument in a different skirt. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1979 Sheltie Posted June 1, 2013 Author Report Share Posted June 1, 2013 Yes your missing something , the subject of the thread is about the behaviour and conduct of traveling workers while drinking in licence premises within our isles and the impact on the local community Yes, and coupled to the behaviour and conduct of some of the locals, it must be way to much for the local plod to cope with.. Get a grip man... It's just the old 'soothmoother' argument in a different skirt. Colin are you now reverting to going down as you call it the "Soothmoother" Route, even though it has never been mentioned on this thread, no one gives a damn where the people are from, they are concerned about thier conduct thats all. So what is the behaviour and conduct of the locals you are talking about ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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