George. Posted September 12, 2015 Report Share Posted September 12, 2015 What has all this guff relating to the English system got to do with us? Scottish law is different (or hadn't you noticed?) and as Shetland is part of Scotland at the moment, we operate under Scottish law. English law is irrelevant. wrong George immigration is not devovled there fore we are bound by the immigration act and english tribunal system Yet another reason for independence then, Brian. brian.smith 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Capeesh Posted September 12, 2015 Report Share Posted September 12, 2015 Some of the pics remind of scenes of Norwegian refugees arriving in Lerwick, many of them perished trying to cross the North Sea."The only thing necessary for the [/size]triumph[/size] of [/size]evil[/size] is for [/size]good men[/size] to [/size]do nothing[/size]." to quote Edmund Burke.[/size] If we don't help these people now. God help us if we require help sometime in future.[/size]This is the sentiment that's hopefully starting to take hold across Europe, From de-humanising people in a nightmare situation calling them a "swarm" as our PM did, or "cockroaches" as a Sun columnist did to the public demanding their governments do something to help. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Suffererof1crankymofo Posted September 12, 2015 Report Share Posted September 12, 2015 Some of the pics remind of scenes of Norwegian refugees arriving in Lerwick, many of them perished trying to cross the North Sea."The only thing necessary for the [/size]triumph[/size] of [/size]evil[/size] is for [/size]good men[/size] to [/size]do nothing[/size]." to quote Edmund Burke.[/size] If we don't help these people now. God help us if we require help sometime in future.[/size]This is the sentiment that's hopefully starting to take hold across Europe, From de-humanising people in a nightmare situation calling them a "swarm" as our PM did, or "cockroaches" as a Sun columnist did to the public demanding their governments do something to help. But what? The photographs and videos showing the chemical burns and suffering are truly dreadful. But I get it now why they are paying around $600 to travel on the death boats and then (some) on fake passports for about another $550 bought in Athens (those that can afford it, that is; some are stuck in Lesvos or Kos, and can't even afford the ferry to Athens) ... ... as one said on film, fighting brother against brother isn't the answer. Many are leaving their wives and children behind. What a choice. The husband travels as they can't afford for them all to go, hopefully to get a job so he can send for them later, is what some of them are doing in order to avoid the Government conscription and being forced to fight. Could you do that, leave your wife and family behind, knowing that they might well get raped or killed or both? They are not cockroaches. But yes, with the numbers, it is a swarm of people, as in a large number. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Capeesh Posted September 12, 2015 Report Share Posted September 12, 2015 Some of the pics remind of scenes of Norwegian refugees arriving in Lerwick, many of them perished trying to cross the North Sea. "The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing" to quote Edmund Burke.If we don't help these people now. God help us if we require help sometime in future.This is the sentiment that's hopefully starting to take hold across Europe, From de-humanising people in a nightmare situation calling them a "swarm" as our PM did, or "cockroaches" as a Sun columnist did to the public demanding their governments do something to help. But what? The photographs and videos showing the chemical burns and suffering are truly dreadful. But I get it now why they are paying around $600 to travel on the death boats and then (some) on fake passports for about another $550 bought in Athens (those that can afford it, that is; some are stuck in Lesvos or Kos, and can't even afford the ferry to Athens) ... ... as one said on film, fighting brother against brother isn't the answer. Many are leaving their wives and children behind. What a choice. The husband travels as they can't afford for them all to go, hopefully to get a job so he can send for them later, is what some of them are doing in order to avoid the Government conscription and being forced to fight. Could you do that, leave your wife and family behind, knowing that they might well get raped or killed or both? They are not cockroaches. But yes, with the numbers, it is a swarm of people, as in a large number."Swarm of people" just doesn't sit right with me, Swarm of locusts yes, people no, refugees definitely not, in my opinion it's another attempt to de-humanise refugees, along the lines of them being described as "cockroaches"The statistics on the UNHCR website say more than half the refugees who've fled Syria to Turkey are children, I don't know where this this myth that they're mainly men has come from.You ask what can be done about the crisis.I don't know but I know an agency that does...The UNHCR (The UN Refugee Agency) has detailed comprehensive proposals for the EU to consider, they work in these situations day in and day out.Not only that, the UK is obliged to cooperate with the UNHCR in these situations as part of the 1951 refugee convention.As for the price of fake passports etc any assets the refugees might have had when they fled are running out very quickly, the UNHCR website also goes into the detail of this, as I mentioned earlier in the thread, it's a very informative website for those who want to know more about the crisis. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Suffererof1crankymofo Posted September 12, 2015 Report Share Posted September 12, 2015 @Capeesh The videos (one was over an hour long) on youchoob show the border fences with Morocco and Spain, and also the situation in Kos. It shows that there is no official reception centre for them but instead an old abandoned hotel where they are told to stay. It shows the scenes outside of the administration centre where they have to get their papers. It shows that it is not all Syrians but people from elsewhere too who are travelling by the boats. They weren't all children, they are mainly men. Likewise with the news clips, the odd family arriving in Munich but again, mainly men. Are these video accounts myths then? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Capeesh Posted September 13, 2015 Report Share Posted September 13, 2015 ^^^Over 4 million refugees have been registered by the UNHCR (UN Refugee Agency) in the countries bordering Syria.Of that number, half of them are children, this is a documented fact.Of course the video accounts aren't myths, but as with all clips no matter how long, they only give a snapshot of the real situation.People have been fleeing Syria for almost 5 years now, a video clip gives little insight to the real situation.I have no idea why people are trying to insinuate that the people fleeing Syria are mostly men. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wotsit Posted September 13, 2015 Report Share Posted September 13, 2015 Hi, Just few questions, What happens if some locals offer a room in their house, but later down the line they find for whatever reason they can no longer house them due to difficulties and want their rooms back? Would it be fair for them to go near the top local housing list ahead of any locals who may have been on the list a very long time? Not sure how many we have on Shetland at the moment in emergency housing so I cannot comment on that. Are these people who offer rooms in their houses going to be paid rent either locally or nationally or are they offering their rooms completely for nothing out of pure kindness and will receive no payment once they have agreed to take on a refugee? Not sure how other areas of the UK will cope I think there only certain amount of funding that can be applied for after that I presume Local councils will have to pick up any bills I would imagine other areas would have a much higher amount of refuges so that will have impact on providing infrastructure and longer term costs and who will be paying. Are these refugees 100% be returning at some point or will they become too comfortable here and other areas to make some people say they cannot return now. So realistically how many will actually return once they been here a while and long term cost for those that do not return. If they can work from day 1 will also be claim our full benefits from day 1 ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colin Posted September 13, 2015 Report Share Posted September 13, 2015 "Are these people who offer rooms in their houses going to be paid rent either locally or nationally or are they offering their rooms completely for nothing out of pure kindness and will receive no payment once they have agreed to take on a refugee?" Pity that this kind of charity(?) doesn't apply when they are renting rooms to locals at extortionate rates unless, of course, they intend to try and screw the same sort of rates out of the benefits system.... "that will have impact on providing infrastructure and longer term costs and who will be paying." Guess.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B/M/S Posted September 13, 2015 Report Share Posted September 13, 2015 I think a matter like this really needs a public consultation to decide how its done and also to discuss the impact on the community Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colin Posted September 13, 2015 Report Share Posted September 13, 2015 There will be no consultation.. The "powers that be" will make a decision for the rest of us.. Interesting to note that Germany has 'temporarily' closed it's border with Austria.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wotsit Posted September 13, 2015 Report Share Posted September 13, 2015 Is it possible that Nicola Sturgeon wants refugees in Scotland so when she's gives them the vote they will vote for independence as she needs the numbers so much. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Suffererof1crankymofo Posted September 14, 2015 Report Share Posted September 14, 2015 ^^^Over 4 million refugees have been registered by the UNHCR (UN Refugee Agency) in the countries bordering Syria.Of that number, half of them are children, this is a documented fact.Of course the video accounts aren't myths, but as with all clips no matter how long, they only give a snapshot of the real situation.People have been fleeing Syria for almost 5 years now, a video clip gives little insight to the real situation.I have no idea why people are trying to insinuate that the people fleeing Syria are mostly men. It's interesting how different countries' media outlets show different portrayals, as in some countries and news channels DO show mainly men (as do several of the clips on youchoob) whereas Sky, for example, showed more clips with families. Whilst it may well be a documented fact that half of them are children, the fact remains that in several countries there are no official reception centres and some (not all) are travelling on fake passports so just how reliable is that data? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colin Posted September 14, 2015 Report Share Posted September 14, 2015 "Whilst it may well be a documented fact that half of them are children, the fact remains that in several countries there are no official reception centres and some (not all) are travelling on fake passports so just how reliable is that data?" It MUST be 100% reliable because, that's what the media tells us it is.. Pity that the same media DOES NOT tell us about the "bad" aspect of some migrants/refugees. Like the films (on the internet and, the "media" have them as well) that show migrants/refugees stealing/ robbing the very people who are trying to help them, destroying food and water that has been given to them and, generally being very threatening. Neither do they tell us about eg; the French Consul who was selling inflatable boats to migrants because "everyone else was doing it and, if she didn't, somebody else would" and, no doubt, because there was a nice fat profit to be made from desperate people.. The whole business(?) seems to be "agenda driven" and, until somebody gets a grip, will continue to be so. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hjasga Posted September 14, 2015 Report Share Posted September 14, 2015 This myth that there are a disproportionate number of young men really needs to be knocked on the head, it's complete nonsense that has predominantly (or was at least originally) pedalled by hateful groups like 'Britain First', along with suggestions that ISIS soldiers are using refugee status as a means to "infiltrate" (God only knows what they're supposed to do when they get here, or why they aren't using their sizable resources to pursue far simpler options). Anybody who has been in Eastern Europe this summer, as many still will have been on holiday, will have passed transit zones and refugee camps and seen the dozens, hundreds of children there. Yes, the documented figures may not be 100% accurate, but it is clear as day that the majority of those displaced are not adult men. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kavi Ugl Posted September 14, 2015 Report Share Posted September 14, 2015 (edited) I don't post much nowadays but just wanted to share these two videos. http://conservativepost.com/and-so-it-beginsisis-flag-among-refugees-in-germany-fighting-the-police-pictures/ I appreciate some of the footage is not brand new but some of it is. Edited September 14, 2015 by Kavi Ugl Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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