Scorrie Posted January 12, 2014 Report Share Posted January 12, 2014 'Scorrie' is Caithness for seagull (spelt that way), but is there a standard spelling in Shetland? eg: Skorri or Skori? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MuckleJoannie Posted January 12, 2014 Report Share Posted January 12, 2014 According to John Graham it is skorie but i would have written it scorie. http://www.shetlanddialect.org.uk/john-j-grahams-shetland-dictionary.php?word=2222 The Dictionary of the Scots Language has an entry for scorie but not for scorry . http://www.dsl.ac.uk/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghostrider Posted January 12, 2014 Report Share Posted January 12, 2014 (edited) Shetland has few if any "standard" spellings for anything, I'd spell it 'skoarie' - and just to confuse further, in da toon it means "seagull", but outwith da toon it means a juvenile gull, and an adult gull is a 'maaw', Edited January 12, 2014 by Ghostrider Heimdal and upmakk 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scorrie Posted January 13, 2014 Author Report Share Posted January 13, 2014 As I suspected...... Thanks, folks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kavi Ugl Posted January 19, 2014 Report Share Posted January 19, 2014 Missed dis thread but I think it's a Scandinavian originated word so using a K is imho more correct. Skori/Skorie. The Faroese word is Másafuglar(pronounced Maawsafulgar), hence Ghostie's Maaw. Scorrie 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MuckleJoannie Posted January 19, 2014 Report Share Posted January 19, 2014 If you look in the Dictionary of the Scots Language you will find that maw is used in Scots as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kavi Ugl Posted January 20, 2014 Report Share Posted January 20, 2014 Does it actually refer to the fact the name is used in Shetland though?. It's likely pointing out the obvious but many Scots words are Germanic/Scandinavian in origin and perhaps Maaw is one of them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghostrider Posted January 20, 2014 Report Share Posted January 20, 2014 @ Kavi: What do the Faeroese call a snow bunting, do you happen to know? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MuckleJoannie Posted January 20, 2014 Report Share Posted January 20, 2014 @ Kavi This is the main section on maw as in gull MAW, n.2 Also mawe, maa, mar (Kcb. 1885 C. Swainson Brit. Birds 209); myave (Abd.). [mÉ‘:, Abd. + mjÉ‘:v] 1. A mew, seagull (Sc. 1808 Jam.; Sh. 1866 Edm. Gl.; Per., Fif., Lth. 1915â€26 Wilson; Ork. 1929 Marw.; Rxb. 1942 Zai), esp. the common gull, Larus canus. Gen.Sc.; also, less commonly, the black-headed gull, Larus ridibundus (Sc. 1885 C. Swainson Brit. Birds 209; Sh., Cai., Lth., Slk. 1962) and the herring gull, Larus argentatus (Cai. 1887 Harvie-Brown & Buckley Fauna Cai. 232, Cai. 1903 E.D.D.; Sh., Cai., Fif., Lth. 1962). *Sh. 1701 J. Brand Descr. Zetland (1883) 240: The taking of Fowls of divers kind, as Maws, Herons, &c. *Sc. 1827 W. Motherwell Minstrelsy 353: The thing of my love’s face that’s white, Is that of dove or maw. *Rnf. 1853 J. Fraser Poet. Chimes 21: Yon lonely maw, that, ever and anon, Dives into the parting bosom of the bonnie Forth. *Sh. 1916 J. Burgess Rasmie’s Smaa Murr (16 Aapril): Da bairn toucght da maa’s penn wis faaen frae a angel’s wing. *Sh. 1931 Sh. Almanac Companion 189: Shu gae a aafil screecgh, an’ loupit i’ da air laek a maa. 2. Combs.: (1) blue maa, (i) the common gull, Larus canus (Sh. 1885 C. Swainson Brit. Birds 207, Sh. 1962). Cf. (6); (ii) the herring gull, Larus argentatus (Cai. 1907 County of Cai. (Horne) 394, Cai. 1962); (2) herring maa, the lesser black-backed gull, Larus fuscus (Sh. 1955 L. Venables Birds, etc. 312; Sh., Cai. 1962); (3) huidie maa, see Huidie; (4) loch maa, the common gull, Larus canus (Sh. 1955 L. Venables Birds, etc. 306; Cai., Wgt. 1962); (5) maa-craig, a rock frequented by gulls. See Craig, n.1; (6) peerie maa, the common gull, Larus canus (Sh. 1955 L. Venables Birds, etc. 306, Sh. 1962); (7) pickmaa, peck-, pikki-, the black-headed gull, Larus ridibundus (Sh. 1908 Jak. (1928), pikki-; Dmf. 1953, pick-; Sh. 1955 L. Venables Birds, etc. 303; Sh., Cai., Ayr., s.Sc. 1962). See Pick; ( sea maw, = 1. (Sc. 1808 Jam.). Gen.(exc. I.)Sc. Freq. in the proverb keep your ain fish guts for yer ain sea maws, charity begins at home (Sc. 1736 Ramsay Proverbs (1776) 47; Cai. 1916 J. Mowat Proverbs 8; ne.Sc. 1962); (9) tang(ie) maw, tanyie- (Edm.), tainne-, tannje- (Sh. 1908 Jak. (1928)), a small species of gull, esp. the common gull, Larus canus (Sh. 1866 Edm. Gl., 1951 Sh. Folk Bk. II. 33; Sh., Cai. 1962). Jak. gives also as = the lesser black-backed gull and the kittiwake, but this is doubtful. See Tang; (10) white maw, the herring gull, Larus argentatus (Sh. 1866 Edm. Gl., 1955 L. Venables Birds, etc. 309; I.Sc., Cai. 1962). (1) (i) *Sh. 1896 Trans. Edb. Naturalists’ Club 158: The Shetlanders will tell you of a “white maa†(herring gull), a “blue maa†(common gull), a “saithe gull†(lesser black-back), or a “baagie†(greater black-back). (5) *Sh. 1899 J. Spence Folk-Lore 133: The gull that kept us company has gone to roost in the distant maa-craig. ( *w.Sc. 1703 M. Martin Descr. W. Islands 73: About the bigness of a Sea-maw of the middle size. *Sc. 1773 Boswell Hebrides (13 Oct.): The seamaws or gulls are very numerous. *Dmf. 1795 Stat. Acc.1 I. 32: The sea gulls, commonly called in this parish, sea maws, occasionally come from the Solway Frith. *Sc. 1817 Scott Rob Roy xxx.: Thae women at Aberfoil are like the scarts and sea-maws at the Cumries, there’s aye foul weather follows their skirling. *Ayr. 1821 Galt Ayrshire Legatees x.: He said it behoved us to gi’e our ain fish guts to our ain sea-maws, and that he designed to fee Thomas Birlpenny’s hostler for our coachman, being a lad of the parish. *Fif. 1894 D. S. Meldrum Margrédel v.: Much was said by the matrons about what was due to one’s own sea-maws. *Dmf. 1920 D. J. Bell-Irving Tally-Ho 34: The Hoddam holms were white wi’ “sea marsâ€. *Abd. 1925 A. Murison Rosehearty Rhymes 118: Fae mony a deuk an’ wild seamaw My daiddy shot langsyne. (10) *Ork. 1929 E. Linklater White Maa’s Saga 75: A white-maa is a herring-gull, the fierce, yellow-beaked thief that steals eggs and chickens wherever it may. *Sh. 1932 J. Saxby Trad. Lore 182: White-maas (herring-gulls) watch over fishermen and foretell to them. [O.Sc. maw, id., from c.1450; O.N. máv-, oblique stem of már, mew.] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unlinkedstudent Posted January 21, 2014 Report Share Posted January 21, 2014 @ Kavi: What do the Faeroese call a snow bunting, do you happen to know? My mate sez they call it "snjofuglur" (snow bird) Ghostrider 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghostrider Posted January 22, 2014 Report Share Posted January 22, 2014 ^ You know Faeroese, who knew? Hold up, what other secrets are you holding out on?? unlinkedstudent 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghostrider Posted January 22, 2014 Report Share Posted January 22, 2014 @ Kavi: What do the Faeroese call a snow bunting, do you happen to know? My mate sez they call it "snjofuglur" (snow bird) Suspected as much, we've just removed a few unnecessary letters, "snjofuglur" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rasmie Posted January 22, 2014 Report Share Posted January 22, 2014 Dutch Meeuw. German Moewe, French Mouette..................... all kinda maa,ish Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kavi Ugl Posted January 26, 2014 Report Share Posted January 26, 2014 (edited) Oops, sorry Ghostrider I didna see dye post. Yeh, unlinked ir right, it's "Snjófuglur" and I guess we just lost a few letters - "Snafool/Snaful"". Edited January 26, 2014 by Kavi Ugl Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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