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its still public money. in a way even more so. it must be my socialist attitude that feels that public money should not be used to benefit the few.

 

Can I take it then that you are a vehement anti-Viking Energy supporter then, as exactly the same rule applies to that "investment".

 

I think in most folk's minds they'd concede with this boat there's a reasonably good liklihood of the money being repaid in full, with interest, thereby growing the public's funds - which if as I suspect this is Development Trust money, means some of that return ultimately gets distributed to local charities. Its a tried and tested venture by an experienced group of individuals, unlike some other pie in the sky get rich quick schemes being backed by similar money, with a significant portion of the folk planning to run them having no knowledge of the industry they are attempting to move in to, and often having no business experience of any kind at all.

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just a few words about honest fishermen. Shetland catch black fish landings. 

Yes, and they couldn't have been that 'honest' without the shoreside help....

 

Facts Paul, facts..

 

Every industry has it's 'bad eggs' but, like I was careful to say, MOST fishermen and, until you can prove otherwise, I will stand by that..

 

Either way, I would rather see the SDA/SIC/Whatever putting money into a local business that is going to provide employment onshore and offshore  than wasting it by 'tilting at windmills' etc.

 

Down the years, the SIC/SDA has poured millions into knitwear and salmon farms.  Where are they now?  The bulk of the salmon farms are foreign owned and the knitwear industry has been reduced to a 'rump'.  As for agriculture, Shetland doesn't have any.  A few guys growing tatties doesn't amount to an industry and, the only reason there are sheep is because the crofters get a decent subsidy.

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i wish the EU would pour some my way. i agree that there is nothing more wrong in the fishing fleet than any other group. what im saying badly as always is that there are better ways of creating jobs than by lending 5 fishermen a load of cash.

small seed corn funding for start up workers would be a nice one.

even a local job support scheme that gives 6 months work at decent wages for the unemployed.

even spending some on treating the drug addicts/offenders would make a big impact if only 1 or 2 were cured.

supporting cope better would create more jobs. and insure that a vulnerable group  were supported.

even a local food bank/ co-operative for food would help the poor.

loads and loads of thing jump to mind.

 

why has the fishing sector not become a co-op and invested some of there earnings in future capital schemes. we are told that is worth tons but they need our money for quota and for buying new boats. its either viable or not. even crofters could earn more if we had new tractors/sheds feed and other stuff offered to us cheap.  

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why has the fishing sector not become a co-op and invested some of there earnings in future capital schemes. we are told that is worth tons but they need our money for quota and for buying new boats. its either viable or not. even crofters could earn more if we had new tractors/sheds feed and other stuff offered to us cheap.  

 

WSF were a co-op with something of that general idea in mind, but as the local fleet size declined due it seemed to mainly EU insistence and a few alleged bad debtors, there wasn't enough local trade to keep two agencies (which was WSF's mainstay business) going.

 

There was the SIC's 10 year agricultural plan that started in the 80's that supported pretty much any enterprise that a crofter could show was viable, but it seemed once the architects of that plan in the Development Dept, and the SAC moved on, retired etc, it largely withered away. The lime and fertiliser grants, heifers grants etc which the SIC finally pulled the plug on recently were the last remnants of it.

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i wish the EU would pour some my way. i agree that there is nothing more wrong in the fishing fleet than any other group. what im saying badly as always is that there are better ways of creating jobs than by lending 5 fishermen a load of cash......

 

 

So what you are saying is that a proven viable Shetland  business should not be supported by Shetland finance to upgrade?

 

How queer.

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are you say that its ok to make money from fraud/crime. paying tax on criminal proceeds has always happened. the ladies of negotiable values are meant to pay tax on their earnings. one wonders if they charge vat to their customers.

 

if you want our future based on crime/iffy practices lets become a tax free zone and import loads of bankers it works for the isle of man and the channel isles. 

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are you say that its ok to make money from fraud/crime.

 

In a word, "yes", pretty much.

 

Your so called "fraud"/"crime" only exists in so called "laws" dreamed up and "enforced" by other humans, and in the moral judgements of other humans by any given individual human.

 

While I have no issue with one human making a judgement call on another for the purposes of forming their own personal opinion, I object to one human, or group of humans attempting to enforce their personal opinions of other peoples actions on everyone else.

 

In other words what you may judge to be a "crime" or a "fraud", probably is considered a perfectly just and fair transaction by some others.

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society judges it to be a crime. innocent fishermen suffered because those harmless blackfish reduced the market price. the quota cuts hit the innocent and the guilty equally. so yes it does meet what i believe a crime is. these guys were not poor struggling fishermen.

 

now things like discards i object too. its immoral to waste perfectly good fish because its the wrong type/size. these fish could be re classed as bycatch and sold at brake even whether to schools/hospitals or at cost to the needy. maybe our quota bank could help with this. 

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society judges it to be a crime. 

 

I'm not a big fan of "society" and especially of their "judgement", and am only a very reluctant minimally participating member of it, by default of it not being realistically possible to avoid some bits of it without leaving the planet.

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