Independent Scotland in the EU?

[peerie pirl]

It seems that from the point of view of other EU members, a newly independent Scotland would have to apply for membership and would come behind Albania in the queue.  What would we do for trading partners in the time it takes to get back in, presumably several years?

[Claadehol]

That wont be the only thing requiring negotiation, this doesnt end in September. In the frightening event of a yes vote, the negotiations will go on for years, and during the uncertainty businesses will head south looking for security and a level of sanity. What businesses remain will cling on to their money, and hope for the best.

The Bank of England apparently has contingency plans in the event of Scotland becoming independent, but you can bet your life the cards will be stacked in England, Wales, and Northern Ireland's favour. And Alec Salmond Insisting on keeping the pound, will have to take what's dealt. 

[Digby]

The UK will be having an election on the issue so Scotland might be out whether they like it or not. Scotland might not have to apply anyway if it is a Yes vote if aligned to the pound or Euro. The pain at the beginning will worth it further down the road. A Scottish vote for Scottish People. No more Bedroom tax, No More UKIP, No more illegal wars, No more Trident, Support the NHS, No more listening to London about Scotland being spongers, when it is the other way round.

[shetlandpeat]

Scotland could enter into agreements with the EU, as other countries do, it would mean they follow the protocols. It may benefit Scotland being they are already up with the infrastructure, slotting into the EU would not take long. It would be a good thing if they do.

[Ghostrider]

No more Bedroom tax,....

 

Just wait until they have to balance the books after they've reached their max borrowing limit.

 

No More UKIP,....

 

....until Scots get fed up of "foreigners taking their jobs".

 

 

No more illegal wars,

 

No more Trident,....

 

I suspect the lack of the latter may well be the reason for an independant Scotland stating it won't start any of the former, but what happens when someone else starts one on Scotland and there's no latter?

 

 

Support the NHS,....

 

Well, it sure as hell could use no end of that. Despite it having been "NHS Scotland" run from Edinburgh for 15 years its gone from bad to worse. Personally I'd rather see the self-serving dinosaur that it is put out of its suffering and misery, as what's left of it now is beyond saving.

[Ghostrider]

.....slotting into the EU would not take long. It would be a good thing if they [scotland] do.

 

Said no-one involved in the Scottish of Shetland fishing or agriculture industries ever.

[shetlandpeat]

No matter what happens, it will be wrong... eh!?

[MuckleJoannie]

There is an alternative view on Scotland joining the EU.

 

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-28197298

 

 

Prof Douglas-Scott is professor of European law and human rights at Oxford, and has written a book on EU constitutional law.

She said: "Despite assertions to the contrary from UK lawyers, EU lawyers and EU officials, any future independent Scotland's EU membership should be assured, and its transition from EU membership (as a) part of the UK, to EU membership (as an) independent Scotland relatively smooth and straightforward."

Proceeding by way of Article 48, as opposed to using Article 49, which would require a full Accession Treaty, would avoid the risk that a newly independent Scotland would be "cast into the wilderness", with its ties with the EU cut on the date of independence, she said.

She continued: "This would be a form of internal enlargement for the EU, and in this way, Scotland's uninterrupted membership of the EU could be preserved."

[Ghostrider]

No matter what happens, it will be wrong... eh!?

 

Nope, Shetland needs rid of Scotland and the EU, and total control on territorial waters to 200 miles/median. I could run with that.

[RFR937]

What makes you think for a second that Shetland would be granted a 200  mile limit/median ? At best 12 miles would be all that would be given , same as IoM and the Channel Isles , be ok for the inshore fishermen and no-one else , no oil within 12 miles and I don't suppose the white fish or pelagic fleet would think much of being restricted to fishing within 12 miles of the coast of Shetland !

[Suffererof1crankymofo]

 

There is an alternative view on Scotland joining the EU.

 

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-28197298

 

 

Prof Douglas-Scott is professor of European law and human rights at Oxford, and has written a book on EU constitutional law.

She said: "Despite assertions to the contrary from UK lawyers, EU lawyers and EU officials, any future independent Scotland's EU membership should be assured, and its transition from EU membership (as a) part of the UK, to EU membership (as an) independent Scotland relatively smooth and straightforward."

Proceeding by way of Article 48, as opposed to using Article 49, which would require a full Accession Treaty, would avoid the risk that a newly independent Scotland would be "cast into the wilderness", with its ties with the EU cut on the date of independence, she said.

She continued: "This would be a form of internal enlargement for the EU, and in this way, Scotland's uninterrupted membership of the EU could be preserved."

 

But Scotland would no longer be part of the UK so isn't that argument flawed?  Other reports have it that if Westminster say no to a currency union, membership of the EMU wouldn't happen as Scotland would need to sort out its own currency and if they walked away from their share of UK debt, that would hinder membership as debts must be honoured.

[shetlandpeat]

It is good to sound off with but there will be no substance to the claim, it is, unrealistic and hollow.

At the moment, Shetland fisher folk do quite well in comparison, the trouble though is the UK land more fish than any other EU state. Out with the EU would be available, the Shetland Fleet would still be policed in EU waters and will have to go elsewhere. Surcharges will be incurred due to practices not fitting in with EU policies for trade agreements. It really is simplistic what is being suggested.

Now, nationalise the fishing fleet, you may be on to something, as we know, the fishing industry in Shetland brings in a heafty sum, into private hands.

Edited September 3, 2014 by shetlandpeat

[Ghostrider]

What makes you think for a second that Shetland would be granted a 200  mile limit/median ? At best 12 miles would be all that would be given , same as IoM and the Channel Isles , be ok for the inshore fishermen and no-one else , no oil within 12 miles and I don't suppose the white fish or pelagic fleet would think much of being restricted to fishing within 12 miles of the coast of Shetland !

 

Everything is negotiable, or simply there for the taking if Shetland went independent.

[shetlandpeat]

Aye, the Shetland Navy will sort it.

[Ghostrider]

Aye, the Shetland Navy will sort it.

 

No Navy required. Capitalism works in many mysterious ways, but a Socialist would never think of that.

Edited September 3, 2014 by Ghostrider