Scorrie Posted February 5, 2015 Report Share Posted February 5, 2015 Yeah, right..... http://www.shetnews.co.uk/newsbites/10112-spiked-drink-behind-gbh-assault A good old-fashioned kicking is in order, methinks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paulb Posted February 5, 2015 Report Share Posted February 5, 2015 6 assaults i count abuse drunk and incapable wow must mean 6 years. oh no my mistake a slap on the wrist. sam should have beat up a bunch of oaps as long as he was drunk. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colin Posted February 5, 2015 Report Share Posted February 5, 2015 6 assaults i count abuse drunk and incapable wow must mean 6 years. oh no my mistake a slap on the wrist. sam should have beat up a bunch of oaps as long as he was drunk. Yep A bit off topic maybe but, as I am not on '(anti)social media', I would like to say that I am more than a little perplexed at the unduly harsh sentence handed out to Sam.. As many others have said, the lad needs help not incarceration but, seems that the Sheriff's Court has once more demonstrated that it is in fact a 'Police Court'. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustMe Posted February 5, 2015 Report Share Posted February 5, 2015 Staying off topic I have signed the petition against Sam's sentence. Not only does he need specialised help that the young offenders institution is unlikely to give him but it is unfair to the staff there to send someone in need of help not punishment for them to look after as best they can. Would point out that if he had wanted to shoot a cop or anyone else he could have done it. Sounds more like he wanted them to shoot him. Yes the event cost a fortune from the police budget but so do many other things which are not even treated as a crime. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colin Posted February 5, 2015 Report Share Posted February 5, 2015 Classic,The price of everything and, the value of nothing... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paulb Posted February 6, 2015 Report Share Posted February 6, 2015 off topic still sam called today. the prison seem to be making plans for sams stay. sounds like a place of last resort is bothering to care. just wish others had. i must stop moaning. diffrent topic we are so overwhelmed by shetlands support its a very warm feeling to know people care. on behalf of my family thank you all. lilackirsty 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colin Posted February 6, 2015 Report Share Posted February 6, 2015 Problem is that it is "a place of last resort". Pity the sheriff didn't try some other option first.. After all, anybody with a grain of wit had already figured out that sam was more of a danger to himself rather than to anyone else. He needs help and guidance and I doubt that he will get just to much of that locked up with a bunch of 'felons'. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shetlandalexboy Posted February 6, 2015 Report Share Posted February 6, 2015 Very sad to read all the bad things that sam did , Shame they managed to over look the good he has done as i know he was a first aid worker with the red cross , So maybe been nice to paid tribute to the hours of un paid work he has given rather than all this carry on . Sam needs love and support to address any issues he has and sure the jail is not going help him in any way .There is plenty done far worse and got off with a few hours painting buts lets face it here he didna hurt any one and sadly he is the one that is suffering . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ironwithin Posted February 7, 2015 Report Share Posted February 7, 2015 The spiked drink excuse is scraping the barrel, must have been some powerful micky finn if he was still affected a day later. Think he meant there was alcohol in his drink of alcohol. I agree a kicking may do some of these people the world of good and be more humane and cheaper in the long run. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Windwalker Posted February 7, 2015 Report Share Posted February 7, 2015 The spiked drink excuse is scraping the barrel, must have been some powerful micky finn if he was still affected a day later. Think he meant there was alcohol in his drink of alcohol. I agree a kicking may do some of these people the world of good and be more humane and cheaper in the long run.I agree with you that the spiked drink excuse does seem a bit far fetched, but I suppose we are not the jury and we have not heard all the evidence. As for a good kicking doing some good, does that not make us as bad as them. If we allow any Tom, Dick or Harry to dish out a kicking, we might as well get rid of the courts and return to the days of hang them high and ask questions later. Those who feel they have some right to dish out the justice might be happy with that, but I'm sure the majority wouldn't be. The courts may not always get it right, but it's a far better system than letting people dish out their own ideas of justice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post JGHR Posted February 8, 2015 Popular Post Report Share Posted February 8, 2015 I agree with you that the spiked drink excuse does seem a bit far fetched, but I suppose we are not the jury and we have not heard all the evidence. As for a good kicking doing some good, does that not make us as bad as them. If we allow any Tom, Dick or Harry to dish out a kicking, we might as well get rid of the courts and return to the days of hang them high and ask questions later. Those who feel they have some right to dish out the justice might be happy with that, but I'm sure the majority wouldn't be. The courts may not always get it right, but it's a far better system than letting people dish out their own ideas of justice. Many year ago, about 25, I was queuing up at the market cross burger van about 3am one Saturday morning. Some young hard man was carrying on, swearing and shouting, challenging folk to fight and brandishing a pocket knife at them. A worthy old fellow, (well he was probably in his late 30's at the time but that was older back then) frae the Wast side as i mind, was just gotten his steak an garlic roll and had propped himself up in Don Leslies windows to sit an eat him, and enjoy the entertainment. The young boy with the pocket knife took exception to the chortles and snorts of mirth that were coming his way and demanded to know "Whit are yew laffing at?" "Settle doon boy" was the the sage advise he got in return. Surely not being the kind to heed good advice the first time around, the boy warned this fellow that he was going to "keek yer f%#kin heed in" " Boy be in pis", was the reply as the man frae the Wast side continued concentrating on the steak burger. Maybe emboldened by this fellows seemingly passive responses the boy started jabbing his pocket knife towards the mans face. At this time I could tell that the Wastsider had just about had enough. This time he told the boy, in a more serious tone, "Pit yun knife awa". The boy persisted to jab the knife, and ask (in a kind of whiny hi pitched toony accent) "whit are yew gonna do about it eh, eh"? After maybe half a minute or so of that carry on a gnarled knave laid the boy flat on his back without further warning. The fellow frae the Wast side, never dropped the remains of the steak roll he was still holding in his other hand, as he picked up the pocket knife, wandered over to the pier to the taxi rank where he casually tossed the pocket knife into the sma' boat harbour before getting into a taxi and going, I presume, home. The boy meanwhile picked himself up an made of up the lane between Don Leslies and where the tottie shop used to be, shouting that everyone was a "bunch of f%#kin pricks" over his shoulder as he went. Justice was well served by the man frae the Wast side who certainly got it right, in my opinion. and there was no need for any police, or court. Perhaps if that Wast side fellow, or somebody like him, had been around the place when the youngster played up with his pellet gun last year, everyone would have been better off. The boy would have ended up with nothing more than a bloody nose, a bruised ego, and his slug gun in the clickamin loch. After that his family and community could have provided, or sought, all the support they wished for him. AlexandraS, Ironwithin, Hathaway and 2 others 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whalsa Posted February 8, 2015 Report Share Posted February 8, 2015 (edited) Although I couldn't comment on this particular incident, in my experience "someone spiked my drink" is usually a teenage excuse for "drank more than I could handle". Above story about the older fellow putting the youngster in his place is amusing. Unfortunately if that happened now the sensible older guy would probably end up in Court himself. Edited February 8, 2015 by whalsa Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colin Posted February 8, 2015 Report Share Posted February 8, 2015 "Above story about the older fellow putting the youngster in his place is amusing. Unfortunately if that happened now the sensible older guy would probably end up in Court himself." And that's because "education" and "justice" are now the exclusive preserves of the "state". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Windwalker Posted February 8, 2015 Report Share Posted February 8, 2015 JGHR love that story and as you say justice was served at little expense to the public. Whilst I think the older man had every right to respond and protect himself, considering the dafftie was threatening him and jabbing a knife at his face, the outcome could have been so different. It wasn't long ago that one punch has left a young man permanently disabled, or he could have ended up by being stabbed. 25 years ago the man had the sense to only hit him once and leave it at that. That's unlikely to happen in the world we now live in. Once the guy was on the ground the boot would go in and no doubt several others would have a go as well. Unfortunately life's not as simple as it used to be. My post was a response to another posters quote "a good kicking may do these people the world of good". Whilst your man took, what should be regarded as reasonable action to defend himself, I don't think any of us should be suggesting that the answer to unacceptable behaviour is to dish out a good kicking. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghostrider Posted February 13, 2015 Report Share Posted February 13, 2015 (edited) Problem is that it is "a place of last resort". Pity the sheriff didn't try some other option first.. After all, anybody with a grain of wit had already figured out that sam was more of a danger to himself rather than to anyone else. He needs help and guidance and I doubt that he will get just to much of that locked up with a bunch of 'felons'. I'd forgotten about this until now, who'd have thought 6 years and a change of Sheriff could make for such a radical shift in attitude. http://www.shetlandtimes.co.uk/2008/10/08/curfew-for-bb-pistol-shooter How ever did they manage without the parachuted SWAT team, and locking up and throwing away the key policy back then? Edited February 13, 2015 by Ghostrider Suffererof1crankymofo 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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