Creationist Vs Evolutionary Theory

[Guest Anonymous]

weel if it was god dat made ? i think he did a bit of a cowboy job, not the work of a qualified tradesman by any standard, da whole thing is foo o major fault lines in its crust causing earthquake, sunami and volcano.

where the hell was building control!! he widna get away we it noo adays , dats fur sure.

it just shows you whit happens when you rush a job in a week , when really it should have teen at least two!

[Marjolein]

weel if it was god dat made ? i think he did a bit of a cowboy job, not the work of a qualified tradesman by any standard, da whole thing is foo o major fault lines in its crust causing earthquake, sunami and volcano.

where the hell was building control!! he widna get away we it noo adays , dats fur sure.

it just shows you whit happens when you rush a job in a week , when really it should have teen at least two!

 

I'm a total creationist, and I believe when he made the world the bible said that he saw it was good. God made the world good and perfect. And if you read Genesis closely you will see he created a firminent around the world. Like a second ocean, a layer of water at the ozone layer. Thus creating the perfect atmosphere. Also there was no rain as instead, the bible says, there was a mist that moved around the earth.

 

So when Noah's flood came that was the whole entire firmanint falling to the earth, this would have resulted in a high increase in pressure on the surface and the oceans at either side froze up to form the poles. This is when (I personally believe) the techtonic plates were formed.

 

But that's just my beliefs.

 

 

http://www.venganza.org/ - if we had more pirates there would be less global warming!

[Njugle]

^ Is that a branch of the "Brethren?"

 

Anyway, here's the answer, google said so. I'm presuming it's that Garfinkel guy.

The answer

[Jordan]

http://www.rael.org/rael_content/intro.php?elan=English

 

I think these guys are great!

[BlackEagle]

Evolutionary types have developed theories about how mankind evolved with a fair amount of detail, if they can just find the missing links. Can they explain in as much detail (or at all) how these little guys called Bombardier Beetles evolved? They must have got it right fairly early on--aren't beetles supposed to be among the oldest forms of life?

 

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/422599.stm

 

It's the original explosive mixture from 2 liquids mixing together. There must have been some interesting chance combinations along the way.

[trumptonriots]

http://www.simonsingh.net/Big_Bang.html

 

Book called "Big Bang" by Simon Singh pretty much gives all the answers...easy to read and quite humourous for a non-fiction science topic!

[evian2]

read the bible, it says in there. Sometimes man will no comprehend something, just because it seems uncomprehendable.

[Evil Inky]

Evolutionary types have developed theories about how mankind evolved with a fair amount of detail, if they can just find the missing links. Can they explain in as much detail (or at all) how these little guys called Bombardier Beetles evolved? They must have got it right fairly early on--aren't beetles supposed to be among the oldest forms of life?

 

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/422599.stm

 

It's the original explosive mixture from 2 liquids mixing together. There must have been some interesting chance combinations along the way.

 

There's a detailed discussion of the bombardier beetle, including a detailed step-by-step hypothesis of their evolution at:

 

http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/bombardier.html

 

The conclusion is basically that the bombardier beetle doesn't disprove evolution, despite what the God-botherers would have you believe

[evian2]

Couldnt resist..god botherers eh?!

 

Evolution: Fact or Fallacy?

Millions of people believe that this universe started with a big bang; and that after billions of years life on earth evolved in all its complexity - of its own accord! Is this the case? Are living creatures able to bring themselves into being and then change from one kind to another? Have earth's myriad life forms: plants, insects, birds, animals and mankind all evolved from a common ancestor? Is there evidence to support this notion? Or is our generation being taken in by the greatest hoax of all time - the theory of evolution?

Listed below are a few eye-opening quotations by prominent scientists and thinkers of our time. They are worthy of consideration. We could list many, many more by palaeontologists, geologists, astronomers, chemists, physicists, mathematicians, cosmologists, zoologists, geneticists and physicians: but the sheer volume of quotations would exhaust the reader. Those listed below should suffice to prove our point that the theory of evolution is not as fool-proof as it is cracked up to be, and hundreds of scientists are distancing themselves from it every year. After all, who wants to be associated with a theory if it's wrong? Driving down the wrong highway will never get you to your destination. Now to the quotations. Bear in mind that they are made by prominent scientists and scholars of our day.

 

 

"I have little hesitation in saying that a sickly pall now hangs over the big bang theory."

(Sir Fred Hoyle, astronomer, cosmologist, and mathematician, Cambridge University)

 

"The pathetic thing is that we have scientists who are trying to prove evolution, which no scientist can ever prove."

(Dr Robert Millikan, Nobel Prize winner and eminent evolutionist)

 

"The theory of evolution suffers from grave defects, which are more and more apparent as time advances. It can no longer square with practical scientific knowledge."

(Dr A Fleishmann, Zoologist, Erlangen University)

 

"It is good to keep in mind ... that nobody has ever succeeded in producing even one new species by the accumulation of micromutations. Darwin's theory of natural selection has never had any proof, yet it has been universally accepted."

(Prof. R Goldschmidt PhD, DSc Prof. Zoology, University of Calif. in Material Basis of Evolution Yale Univ. Press)

 

"The theory of the transmutation of species is a scientific mistake, untrue in its facts, unscientific in its method, and mischievous in its tendency."

(Prof. J Agassiz, of Harvard in Methods of Study in Natural History)

 

"Evolution is baseless and quite incredible."

(Dr Ambrose Fleming, President, British Assoc. Advancement of Science, in The Unleashing of Evolutionary Thought)

 

"Overwhelming strong proofs of intelligent and benevolent design lie around us ... The atheistic idea is so nonsensical that I cannot put it into words."

(Lord Kelvin, Vict. Inst., 124, p267)

 

It is possible (and, given the Flood, probable) that materials which give radiocarbon dates of tens of thousands of radiocarbon years could have true ages of many fewer calendar years."

(Gerald Aardsman, Ph.D., physicist and C-14 dating specialist)

 

"We have to admit that there is nothing in the geological records that runs contrary to the views of conservative creationists."

(Evolutionist Edmund Ambrose)

 

"The best physical evidence that the earth is young is the dwindling resource that evolutionists refuse to admit is dwindling ... the magnetic energy in the field of the earth's dipole magnet ... To deny that it is a dwindling resource is phoney science."

(Thomas Barnes Ph.D., physicist)

 

"No matter how numerous they may be, mutations do not produce any kind of evolution."

(Pierre-Paul Grasse, Evolutionist)

 

"The likelihood of the formation of life from inanimate matter is one to a number with 40,000 noughts after it ... It is big enough to bury Darwin and the whole theory of evolution ... if the beginnings of life were not random, they must therefore have been the product of purposeful intelligence."

(Sir Fred Hoyle, astronomer, cosmologist and mathematician, Cambridge University)

 

"It is easy enough to make up stories, of how one form gave rise to another, and to find reasons why the stages should be favoured by natural selection. But such stories are not part of science, for there is no way of putting them to the test."

(Luther D Sutherland, Darwin's Enigma, Master Books 1988, p89)

 

"Is it really credible that random processes could have constructed a reality, the smallest element of which - a functional protein or gene - is complex beyond ... anything produced by the intelligence of man?"

(Molecular biologist Michael Denton, Evolutionist: A Theory in Crisis (London: Burnett Books, 1985) p 342.)

 

"When I make an incision with my scalpel, I see organs of such intricacy that there simply hasn't been enough time for natural evolutionary processes to have developed them."

(C Everett Koop, former US Surgeon General)

 

"Modern apes ... seem to have sprung out of nowhere. They have no yesterday, no fossil record. And the true origin of modern humans ... is, if we are to be honest with ourselves, an equally mysterious matter."

(Lyall Watson, Ph.D., Evolutionist)

 

"Although bacteria are tiny, they display biochemical, structural and behavioural complexities that outstrip scientific description. In keeping with the current microelectronics revolution, it may make more sense to equate their size with sophistication rather than with simplicity ... Without bacteria life on earth could not exist in its present form."

(James A Shipiro, Bacteria as Multicellular Organisms, "Scientific America, Vol.258, No.6 (June 1988))

 

"Eighty to eighty-five percent of earth's land surface does not have even 3 geological periods appearing in 'correct' consecutive order ... it becomes an overall exercise of gargantuan special pleading and imagination for the evolutionary-uniformitarian paradigm to maintain that there ever were geologic periods."

(John Woodmorappe, geologist)

 

"That a mindless, purposeless, chance process such as natural selection, acting on the sequels of recombinant DNA or random mutation, most of which are injurious or fatal, could fabricate such complexity and organisation as the vertebrate eye, where each component part must carry out its own distinctive task in a harmoniously functioning optical unit, is inconceivable. The absence of transitional forms between the invertebrates retina and that of the vertebrates poses another difficulty. Here there is a great gulf fixed which remains inviolate with no seeming likelihood of ever being bridged. The total picture speaks of intelligent creative design of an infinitely high order."

(H.S.Hamilton (MD) The Retina of the Eye - An Evolutionary Road Block.)

 

"My attempts to demonstrate evolution by an experiment carried on for more than 40 years have completely failed."

(N.H.Nilson, famous botanist and evolutionist)

 

"None of five museum officials could offer a single example of a transitional series of fossilised organisms that would document the transformation of one basically different type to another."

(Luther Sunderland, science researcher)

 

"The entire hominid collection known today would barely cover a billiard table, but it has spawned a science because it is distinguished by two factors which inflate its apparent relevance far beyond its merits. First, the fossils hint at the ancestry of a supremely self- important animal - ourselves. Secondly, the collection is so tantalisingly incomplete, and the specimens themselves often so fragmented and inconclusive, that more can be said about what is missing than about what is present. Hence the amazing quantity of literature on the subject ever since Darwin's work inspired the notion that fossils linking modern man and extinct ancestor would provide the most convincing proof of human evolution, preconceptions have led evidence by the nose in the study of fossil man."

(John Reader, Whatever Happened to Zinjanthropus? New Scientist Vol. 89, No.12446 (March 26,1981) pp 802-805))

 

"The evolutionist thesis has become more stringently unthinkable than ever before."

(Wolfgang Smith Ph.D.)

 

"The only competing explanation for the order we all see in the biological world is the notion of Special Creation."

(Niles Eldridge, PhD., palaeontologist and evolutionist, American Museum of Natural History).

Darwin's Own Confession

 

"Not one change of species into another is on record ... we cannot prove that a single species has been changed."

(Charles Darwin, My Life & Letters)

 

"To suppose that the eye with all its inimitable contrivances for adjusting the focus to different distances, for admitting different amounts of light and for the correction of spherical and chromatic aberration, could have been formed by natural selection, seems, I freely confess, absurd in the highest degree."

(Charles Darwin, Origin of Species, chapter "Difficulties")

 

"A growing number of respectable scientists are defecting

[Twerto]

Until humans gain the intelligence to analyse all the facts that must be there to find, No one will ever know.

 

Twerto 12:09 29/08/06

[Njugle]

Well said Twerto. I'm jealous noo, cos i was going to write something similar, but less succinct

 

Anyway, the above quotes are fine and good, can be misinterpreted, to question darwinism or evolution in it's current form does not mean that all these eminent people are siding with creationism, it merely points out that there is more to it than evolution as we know of it. Faith is a good thing, sadly lacking in the modern world, but faith is born of ignorance. If there was any factual base to creationist ideas it would men an end to faith again and that would be as bad as evolutionary ignorance. Hence:

 

Beware confident ignorance, embrace the creation and evolution of knowledge. Njugle 12:27 29/08/06

 

And besides, if the world and the universe were created , who did the creating and where did they come from, or is the 'geat architect of the universe infinite?

 

And also, contemplate the battleship. A creation so complex that no indiovidual can claim to understand ll within it, and yet it has evolved form a wooden skiff and a spear through a process of creation

[Evil Inky]

Couldnt resist..god botherers eh?!

Yes, those miserable kill-joys who tell you that you're going to spend an eternity in Hell, and have the cheek to call this "Good News".

Now to the quotations. Bear in mind that they are made by prominent scientists and scholars of our day.

 

 

"I have little hesitation in saying that a sickly pall now hangs over the big bang theory."

(Sir Fred Hoyle, astronomer, cosmologist, and mathematician, Cambridge University)

Hoyle's alternative to the Big Bang, the Steady State Theory, hasn't been taken seriously since the discovery of the cosmic microwave background radiation in the 1960s. The existence of this background radiation had been previously predicted by Big Bang cosmologists.

"Overwhelming strong proofs of intelligent and benevolent design lie around us ... The atheistic idea is so nonsensical that I cannot put it into words."

(Lord Kelvin, Vict. Inst., 124, p267)

I think you'll find Lord Kelvin died in 1907: not exactly a prominent scientist of our day.

 

I haven't the time to research the rest of these quotes.

[evian2]

well, you can't beat a bit of bible

[Twerto]

I dont know, I find picking my nose a bit more entertaining.. but maybe not so good for making conversation about

[Styles]

I read the bible quite a few times on the south boat as it was the only reading material available late at night to beat the boredom when I could never sleep. Its actually not to bad a read. I allways preferred the Old Testement as god turned into a complete wuss in the New Testement.

 

I think humans are at an evolutional dead end anyway.