peeriebryan Posted February 14, 2007 Report Share Posted February 14, 2007 I don't wish to get into another discussion regarding the definition of specific words, as you seem to be using "faith" in a different context to me, and it is largely irrelevant to the wider debate science ofcourse has absolute proof? You won't meet many people who believe in scientific principles that claim they have "absolute proof". I refer you to my point above - scientific method seeks to constantly improve current understanding through experiment and observation Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Evil Inky Posted February 14, 2007 Report Share Posted February 14, 2007 Faith - confidence or trust in a person or thing. Believe - to have confidence in the truth, the existence, or the reliability of something, although without absolute proof that one is right in doing so. science ofcourse has absolute proof? I might have been better to word it Confidence? I remain, that you have to have confidence, in the reliability of the experiments/observations, and in the existence of the big bang without conclusive evidence. I don't have absolute proof that the sun will rise tomorrow morning, nor do I have absolute proof that the Tooth Fairy exists. This does not mean that the chances of the Tooth Fairy existing are the same as the chances of the sun rising tomorrow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mcdilly-Willy Posted February 14, 2007 Report Share Posted February 14, 2007 Do you need absolute proof? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Evil Inky Posted February 14, 2007 Report Share Posted February 14, 2007 Do you need absolute proof? No. I'm of the opinion that absolute proof doesn't exist outside the realm of mathematics Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mcdilly-Willy Posted February 14, 2007 Report Share Posted February 14, 2007 Just to Clarify, I am an Atheist, but to be objective in the interests of science... Fjool - There is also Inconclusive evidence of the bible. Peeriebryan - What I mean is that A scientist must have Confidence in the big bang theory to say "thats what happened", well a christian must also have confidence to say "Jesus Loves you". I used the term Faith in the context of Confidence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peeriebryan Posted February 14, 2007 Report Share Posted February 14, 2007 Peeriebryan - What I mean is that A scientist must have Confidence in the big bang theory to say "thats what happened", well a christian must also have confidence to say "Jesus Loves you". Indeed McDW. Both must have confidence, but it is how they have arrived at their conclusions which is different. Personally, it is part of my make up to seek proof, but I respect those who aren't interested in doing so or believe in something which is, by definition, impossible to either prove or disprove Each to their own etc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Evil Inky Posted February 14, 2007 Report Share Posted February 14, 2007 There is also Inconclusive evidence of the bible.I don't think the issue is whether or not the Bible actually exists, the issue is whether the Bible is the Word of God, or simply a collection of rather strange stories. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trout Posted February 14, 2007 Report Share Posted February 14, 2007 You guys are making inroads into philosophical logic. Might I suggest that you perhaps use that as a base rather as skirt around the semantics of wording? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewMagnie Posted February 14, 2007 Report Share Posted February 14, 2007 Inconclusive evidence is better than no evidence at all. Indeed. Also; "Doubt is not a pleasant condition, but certainty is absurd" Voltaire. Furthermore: "What if we've chosen the wrong God? Every time we go to church we're just making him madder and madder" Homer J Simpson Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fjool Posted February 14, 2007 Report Share Posted February 14, 2007 "What if we've chosen the wrong God? Every time we go to church we're just making him madder and madder" Homer J Simpson As always, Homer's genius shines through I always enjoyed: "God made me an atheist; who are you to question His judgement?" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McFly Posted February 14, 2007 Report Share Posted February 14, 2007 Or, from the late, great Linda Smith: "I just can't help but think that if God wanted humans to believe in him he'd exist" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewMagnie Posted February 15, 2007 Report Share Posted February 15, 2007 I'm very fond of Woody Allen's; "To YOU I'm an atheist. To God I'm the Loyal Opposition". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Njugle Posted February 15, 2007 Report Share Posted February 15, 2007 Goodonya McDilly, seems like you are perhaps on a 'similar page' as i was further back in the thread. Keep it up. Not that i'm a stirrer or anything....... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mcdilly-Willy Posted February 15, 2007 Report Share Posted February 15, 2007 I don't think the issue is whether or not the Bible actually exists EvilInky you know thats not what I meant. Can you add anything productive to the pot? PeerieBryan the scientist can try to prove all they want, but the fact is they never will have proof or conclusive evidence of the origins of the universe. So their mission to "seek proof" is futile. the only difference between the two is the scientist wants while the christian doesnt need is what your saying. but I respect those who aren't interested in doing so or believe in something which is, by definition, impossible to either prove or disprove Actually I think you'll find every Christian is "Seeking", they have decided that in their eyes the proof of the bibile is enough for them. Just like the scientist who sees the universe expanding is enough evidence of the big bag. Its in human nature to seek the truth, and what ever way you chose to go science(in respects of the orgins of universe) or god, theres a cross-road, and you need faith/confidence to go either way, because either way is just as unkown, just as provable, and disprovable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Anonymous Posted February 15, 2007 Report Share Posted February 15, 2007 I hear some o da folk aboot say dat god made da world in 6 days and then on da seventh he took a day aff. ( I presume he hed a lang lie ta sleep af da booze afore rising ta hay da rost leg o lamb (which he just invented ) which mrs god had spent a mornin gettin ready. da thing i winder is dis? ok i will agree for arguments sake dat god did create da earth and all we see aboot wis. N ow whit i winder is how mony folk wid carry on go in ta da kirk if it wis just ta thank god for da 3 score and 10 dat he has seen fit ta gee wis , and dat der wisna actually ony promise of ever lasting life in some paradise location ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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