Popular Post Windwalker Posted May 22, 2015 Popular Post Report Share Posted May 22, 2015 Not a problem who you vote for. The problem is he launched an inquiry at cost to the taxpayer to discover it was him behind it. Lets have a by election and let the people decide. More money wasted by the M.P that is supposed to be working "honestly" on our behalf. Time for a wee by-election, methinks too!!!Of course there is no costs involved with arranging another by-election The guy was caught, has apologised and let's be honest, it's not the worst crime in the world. he allowed his aid to leak a memo, he didn't break her legs. There all at it. Find me a politician who hasn't twisted something or told white lies at some time. I Suffererof1crankymofo, Ghostrider and Para Handy 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Ghostrider Posted May 22, 2015 Popular Post Report Share Posted May 22, 2015 Just an afterthought.....but am I the only one who actually feels a little relieved that we now have proof that Carmichael isn't quite the squeaky clean, square, boring barsteward we knew he couldn't be, but public perception wouldn't stop insisting he was. I'm not going to knock someone who will stoop to a bit of skullduggery and rule bending when the means justify the end. Acid, Para Handy, Windwalker and 1 other 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hjasga Posted May 22, 2015 Report Share Posted May 22, 2015 Lets face it, if Sturgeon didn't want it to come back and bite her ass, she should have kept her gob shut.Keeping your gob shut won't do much if people are happy to make up porkies. Amidst all of this, Carmichael has admitted that the claims made in this memo were false. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Suffererof1crankymofo Posted May 22, 2015 Report Share Posted May 22, 2015 The Shetland Times on-line is running a poll on this question to monitor local views http://www.shetlandtimes.co.uk/2015/05/22/carmichael-accepts-full-responsibility-for-memo-leak At present the votes favours our MP resigning. Isn't this the same software which has flaws, as in turn off router/clear cookies and you can vote again? Acid and gafynandrew 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghostrider Posted May 22, 2015 Report Share Posted May 22, 2015 Keeping your gob shut won't do much if people are happy to make up porkies. Amidst all of this, Carmichael has admitted that the claims made in this memo were false. If she'd not been gobbing off to some Frenchie, she couldn't have been accused of saying anything. How good is the word of a French politician any more than a Brit one? Maybe the Frenchie is lying, maybe Carmichel was telling the truth before and is lying now for some ulterior motive, who knows? The all lie all of the time if it suits them, its an unwritten pre-requisite of the job. Para Handy 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Windwalker Posted May 22, 2015 Report Share Posted May 22, 2015 Amidst all of this, Carmichael has admitted that the claims made in this memo were false. Yes, but did he know that at the time or did he just see an opportunity to have a go at the opposition. They were all at it, I mind thinking "it would be fine if some of the local candidates would tell us what they would do, rather than slate the other candidates" most look for the opportunity to down the other side, unfortunately this back fired on him. Suffererof1crankymofo 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hjasga Posted May 22, 2015 Report Share Posted May 22, 2015 Keeping your gob shut won't do much if people are happy to make up porkies. Amidst all of this, Carmichael has admitted that the claims made in this memo were false. If she'd not been gobbing off to some Frenchie, she couldn't have been accused of saying anything. How good is the word of a French politician any more than a Brit one? Maybe the Frenchie is lying, maybe Carmichel was telling the truth before and is lying now for some ulterior motive, who knows? The all lie all of the time if it suits them, its an unwritten pre-requisite of the job. We'll really start tying ourselves in knots if we start believing that somebody who has admitted to claiming something he now acknowledges to be inaccurate (I wouldn't really go so far as to say he personally lied), is in fact just lying about their previous lying, where in fact they were telling the truth to begin with. Do we want our First Minister not to meet with Ambassadors for closely allied nations, just in case anything she says is mistranslated/misrepresented by opposition politicians? I don't believe you can be serious with such a suggestion. The Shetland Times on-line is running a poll on this question to monitor local views http://www.shetlandtimes.co.uk/2015/05/22/carmichael-accepts-full-responsibility-for-memo-leak At present the votes favours our MP resigning. Isn't this the same software which has flaws, as in turn off router/clear cookies and you can vote again? Yes, it is completely meaningless. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Who Knows Posted May 22, 2015 Report Share Posted May 22, 2015 Channel 4 news interview with our MP at the time of the leak. http://news.channel4.com/election2015/04/05/update-931/ If after watching that you do not believe he deliberately misled the public difficult to know what further evidence you need. Davie P 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghostrider Posted May 22, 2015 Report Share Posted May 22, 2015 Keeping your gob shut won't do much if people are happy to make up porkies. Amidst all of this, Carmichael has admitted that the claims made in this memo were false. If she'd not been gobbing off to some Frenchie, she couldn't have been accused of saying anything. How good is the word of a French politician any more than a Brit one? Maybe the Frenchie is lying, maybe Carmichel was telling the truth before and is lying now for some ulterior motive, who knows? The all lie all of the time if it suits them, its an unwritten pre-requisite of the job. We'll really start tying ourselves in knots if we start believing that somebody who has admitted to claiming something he now acknowledges to be inaccurate (I wouldn't really go so far as to say he personally lied), is in fact just lying about their previous lying, where in fact they were telling the truth to begin with. No need to over-complicate it to that degree - the good old "if their lips are moving they're lying" maxim covers it all. Keeping your gob shut won't do much if people are happy to make up porkies. Amidst all of this, Carmichael has admitted that the claims made in this memo were false. If she'd not been gobbing off to some Frenchie, she couldn't have been accused of saying anything. How good is the word of a French politician any more than a Brit one? Maybe the Frenchie is lying, maybe Carmichel was telling the truth before and is lying now for some ulterior motive, who knows? The all lie all of the time if it suits them, its an unwritten pre-requisite of the job. Do we want our First Minister not to meet with Ambassadors for closely allied nations, just in case anything she says is mistranslated/misrepresented by opposition politicians? I don't believe you can be serious with such a suggestion. Well, my first thought when the story originally broke was, "What's she doing hobnobing with a foreign politician?" Frankly, Sturgeon, until and unless Scotland achieves independence is a regional politician, not a national one and as such is not on a comparable height on the totem to a French politician. The U.K. is the nation, Scotland is a country, and a region within the U.K nation. If a French politician visited the U.S. they'd expect to mix with members of congress and senators, not State Governors. Suffererof1crankymofo 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Suffererof1crankymofo Posted May 22, 2015 Report Share Posted May 22, 2015 Channel 4 news interview with our MP at the time of the leak. http://news.channel4.com/election2015/04/05/update-931/ If after watching that you do not believe he deliberately misled the public difficult to know what further evidence you need. I'm more concerned with the Scottish Government misleading people over the alleged benefits of windfarms. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hjasga Posted May 22, 2015 Report Share Posted May 22, 2015 What? She's our First Minister, of course she is going to meet with foreign politicians from time to time, Scottish independence or not. Ally 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghostrider Posted May 22, 2015 Report Share Posted May 22, 2015 What? She's our First Minister, of course she is going to meet with foreign politicians from time to time, Scottish independence or not. Well, if she will insist on playing up there with the big boys and girls, she'll just have to grow a pair, wear her big girl panties, and put up with the half-truths, lies, rumours and back-stabbing that goes with that territory. Suffererof1crankymofo 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Suffererof1crankymofo Posted May 22, 2015 Report Share Posted May 22, 2015 What? She's our First Minister, of course she is going to meet with foreign politicians from time to time, Scottish independence or not. She might be yours, she sure as hell ain't mine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scorrie Posted May 23, 2015 Report Share Posted May 23, 2015 Frankly, I couldn't give a toss. Mp's are always falling over themselves to 'get one over' on the other side, occasionally it backfires. As GR said earlier, if we removed all the MP's who were guilty of dodgy representations - then there'd be no sausage sat in Westminster - or Holyrood for that matter. If this is the memo that allegedly stated that Nicola wanted the Tories to win - then the real irony is that it hits the nail on the head, something that the SNP will never, ever, admit publicly. The SNP aren't dafties, they know they are incapable of getting complete control over Westminster and they know that a Tory government will polarise Scotchland voters straight away. If Labour had won, then it would immediately have a diluting effect on SNP supporters and the SNP cause. Many would drift back to Labour - the very last thing that the SNP want right now. As long as the Tories stay in power, then ex-Labour supporters will stay with the SNP as they know that there is no credible alternative in Scotland. The SNP will continue to sell themselves as the voice of the Scotch People standing up to the evil overlords of Torydom and all will be well within the party. Slaps on the SNP backs all round and then home for tea and fancies. Suffererof1crankymofo 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wheelsup Posted May 23, 2015 Report Share Posted May 23, 2015 Speaking of lies, it seems the the Tories and SNP have colluded to each see off their joint main opposition. Really think its time for Proportional Representation. Or perhaps we could have a local birthplace as a qualifying condition of standing for a constituency. Fed up with these lying foreigners dictating to us. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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