Alistair Carmichael memo leak and inquiry: should he resign?

[Windwalker]

 

Are you accusing all Liberal Democrats of being liars?

 

 

Carmichael is a liar and has been forced to admit it. Look how many people around here were willing to ignore it, let him off with it and just forget what had been done by their M.P. That doesn't speak too well of the people that were only too happy to, and probably still do, live in denial.

Oh for heavens sake get off your soap box, your axe has been well and truly ground down to the handle. The problem with quotes like yours above, is they are completely misleading and inaccurate.

Having read through most of this it is clear there are two main points. Those who think he should be hung drawn and quartered and those who accept he made an error, but that error should be dealt with appropriately and we shouldn't allow the campaigners against him to decide the punishment.

 

Of course if you make statements like " people living in denial" suggests that only you know best.

He made a mistake, he has been chastised particularly by the witch hunters who obviously have their own agenda and he will be dealt with by the appropriate authorities. Hopefully he will continue to serve the islands in the future.

 

It's just a pity that those baying for blood are so selective when it comes to lies being told by other parties.

[Scorrie]

They are completely wrong.

 

You have ill-informed opinions.

 

I have immovable truths and beliefs.

[Capeesh]

"hung drawn and quartered"

"Chastised by the witch hunters"

"Baying for blood"

No this is not a pitch for a new horror flick, this is the colourful language used to describe ordinary Shetlanders and Orcadians who are holding their MP to account for wrongdoing.

You would think our MP was the victim here, not, as he himself admitted (after being caught) the person guilty of abusing his position as Secretary of State for Scotland by leaking a dodgy memo in an attempt to smear an opponent and then lying about it.

Thank goodness for the expensive tax payer funded leaks inquiry, if not for that nobody would be any the wiser.

Just a shame it only came to light after the election.

Edited June 8, 2015 by Capeesh

[Distortio]

http://www.shetnews.co.uk/news/10828-carmichael-opposes-election-petition

 

so carmichael now "misstated his awareness of the leaked memorandum" (!) presumably what he meant to say was something more along the lines of "yeah, that was me, i totally leaked that."

 

funny how many of those defending carmichael say the leaky smear and subsequent lie are "all part of the rough and tumble of politics and the kind of ruthless opportunism to be expected at election time" are painting any objections to this behavior as "a politically motivated witch hunt, baying for blood..." etc.

 

you're not concerned about pursuing honesty, democracy or even a level playing field. anything goes as long as it favours of your own right wing bias. 

[Ghostrider]

you're not concerned about pursuing honesty, democracy or even a level playing field. anything goes as long as it favours of your own right wing bias. 

 

Touche, mate.

 

You're only feigning concern for honesty, deomcracy and a level playing field, by blowing up out of all proportion a minor and inconsequencial incident just because it might gain political capital for your left wing bias.

 

There is no honesty, democracy or level playing field in politics regardless whether your sympathies lie to the left, right or in the middle, and anybody that tries to claim there is is the biggest liar of the lot.

 

Get real, if we had to throw out ever politician that had uttered a "mistruth", we wouldn't have any left.....hang on, now there's a concept I maybe could back.

[George.]

 

you're not concerned about pursuing honesty, democracy or even a level playing field. anything goes as long as it favours of your own right wing bias. 

 

You're only feigning concern for honesty, deomcracy and a level playing field, by blowing up out of all proportion a minor and inconsequencial incident just because it might gain political capital for your left wing bias.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Love it, a "minor and inconsequencial incident", that's one way of putting it #heehee

Edited June 11, 2015 by George.

[Suffererof1crankymofo]

No weapons of mass destruction, a war hasn't been started (well, apart from a war of words perhaps) ... the amount of hyperbole and making a mountain out of a molehill are quite surreal.

 

Never mind, it'll be the English thing ... have a cuppa tea and it'll all blow over.

[Distortio]

 

you're not concerned about pursuing honesty, democracy or even a level playing field. anything goes as long as it favours of your own right wing bias. 

 

You're only feigning concern for honesty, deomcracy and a level playing field, by blowing up out of all proportion a minor and inconsequencial incident just because it might gain political capital for your left wing bias.

not at all. i just find it telling that while you regularly complain about dishonesty and lack of democracy you are perfectly happy to actively brush it under the carpet when it suits you politically. and furthermore you will label calls for accountability for the actions you complain about "a witch hunt" etc.

 

even if it was a witch hunt (which for the most part i don't believe it is) what's your problem with that. surely by your measure that's just part of the ruthless cut and thrust of politics, how did you put it? "kill your opponent by any means possible" wasn't it? so you don't like it when you think your political opponents are playing by the same rules you are happy enough to endorse/accept when it suits you.

 

 

There is no honesty, democracy or level playing field in politics regardless whether your sympathies lie to the left, right or in the middle, and anybody that tries to claim there is is the biggest liar of the lot.

 

 

you're right there. there is a massive inherent right wing bias in the media. here's the figures again:

 

in order of readership to give a broad picture of overall reach (figures for 2015):

 

1,978,702  the sun  (tory) 

1,688,727  daily mail  (tory)

992,235  daily mirror  (labour)

805,309  evening standard  (tory) (figures for 2015 unavailable, 2014 figures listed)

494,675  daily telegraph  tory)

457,914  daily express  (ukip)

425,246  daily star  (previously tory, but owner richard desmond donated 1.3m to ukip)

396,621  times  (tory)

280,351  i (mini-publication of independent) (tory lib-dem)

219,444  financial times  (tory)

203,725  daily record  (labour)

185,429  guardian  (labour)

61,338  independent  (tory lib-dem)

 

Get real, if we had to throw out ever politician that had uttered a "mistruth", we wouldn't have any left.....hang on, now there's a concept I maybe could back.

 

well there you go, all the more reason to support accountability. while of course it won't eradicate corruption and lies it would at least discourage it.

[Capeesh]

http://www.shetnews.co.uk/news/10828-carmichael-opposes-election-petition

 

so carmichael now "misstated his awareness of the leaked memorandum"

Hahaha when I read this quote I thought it was a wind up, I had to check the link.

Would I lie to you = Would I misstate you.

Those lying eyes = Those misstating eyes

Liar, Liar = Misstater, Misstater

Little white lies = Little white misstatements

[Colin]

There is no doubt that what AC did was "wrong"(?) but, only in a very minor(?) way and, it is expected of ALL politicians that, at some point, they will indulge in a little ccreative(?) electioneering.

 

BUT

 

All the dingalings SNP supporters who are baying for his blood should ask themselves quite honestly (assuming that they are capable of honest self appraisal);

 

What would their position be if Skene had pulled a similar stunt and had actually won the seat ?

(ignoring the fact that he didn't tell the electorate that he was an "Old Etonian" or, that this was his third attempt to get into parliament and, that each attempt was under different "colours")

 

Would they then be demanding that he stepped down in the interests of their vision of "democracy"?

 

What would they then be saying if their vision of "democracy" was at odds with Skene's and he refused their request?

 

The reason I ask is that we have a badly broken(?) electoral system and, not one of the SNP lot has yet expressed any concern for the 4 million, or so, disenfranchised UKIP supporters, the 1.5 million, or so, disenfranchised Scottish Labour supporters, the disenfranchised Lib Dems, Greens et al.

 

In a "fair" system, all these groups would deserve recognition (seats) in accordance with their electoral support and, I would hazard a gues that it would remove the need for any "shenanigans"

[George.]

There is no doubt that what AC did was "wrong"(?) but, only in a very minor(?) way and, it is expected of ALL politicians that, at some point, they will indulge in a little ccreative(?) electioneering.

 

Haahaa, it's a wind-up, he's just joking, having a bit of a lark - and showing, if not a leaning towards the famous "Lib Dem Liar", then a dislike of any change to the political landscape of Shetland and Orkney.

 

You also appear to see only SNP voters looking for blood. Surely at least one or two of Carmichaels supporters would like to see a little honesty come out regarding the lies that he told.

Edited June 13, 2015 by George.

[Capeesh]

^^^^^

It was Alistair Carmichael who used dirty tricks, smears, and lies to cover up his misdeeds, not anybody else, Shetlands very own Richard Nixon.

Our very own MP admitted it himself albeit very, very belatedly (after the inconvenience of the election and getting caught)

I don't think it is only SNP voters or as you call them Dingalings??? who want to hold sleazy MPs to account.

[Colin]

 

There is no doubt that what AC did was "wrong"(?) but, only in a very minor(?) way and, it is expected of ALL politicians that, at some point, they will indulge in a little ccreative(?) electioneering.

 

Haahaa, it's a wind-up, he's just joking, having a bit of a lark - and showing, if not a leaning towards the famous "Lib Dem Liar", then a dislike of any change to the political landscape of Shetland and Orkney.

 

You also appear to see only SNP voters looking for blood. Surely at least one or two of Carmichaels supporters would like to see a little honesty come out regarding the lies that he told.

 

But, you didn't answer the questions I posed!!!

^^^^^

It was Alistair Carmichael who used dirty tricks, smears, and lies to cover up his misdeeds, not anybody else, Shetlands very own Richard Nixon.

Our very own MP admitted it himself albeit very, very belatedly (after the inconvenience of the election and getting caught)

I don't think it is only SNP voters or as you call them Dingalings??? who want to hold sleazy MPs to account.

And, neither did you!!!!

[Windwalker]

To answer your question would mean they have to tell the truth, that this is more about trying to get the SNP candidate in, then it is about Carmichael's error.

 

It's this 'we'll stop at nothing to get our way' attitude that puts me off ever voting SNP, well that along with independence and double standards.

[George.]

The reason I ask is that we have a badly broken(?) electoral system and, not one of the SNP lot has yet expressed any concern for the 4 million, or so, disenfranchised UKIP supporters, the 1.5 million, or so, disenfranchised Scottish Labour supporters, the disenfranchised Lib Dems, Greens et al.

 

 

Carmichael and the rest of the Lib Dem "Dingalings" have yet to be heard expressing any concern for the politically disenfranchised amongst us. I don't believe I've heard the Tories, Labour or any other politico's showing any concern for the disenfranchised.  Why should the SNP be any different - or is it all their fault, regardless?