Alistair Carmichael memo leak and inquiry: should he resign?

[hjasga]

 

 

 

 

I suspect it will be pleasing to those who have whinged about this case ever being lodged, but if it is not I hope they will recognise that there was a legitimate grievance. 

 

Nope, it won't, whatever it is. It won't undo that a immense amount of time and resources which have been wasted on a witch hunt and kangaroo court, not to mention the rift between people caused by the referendum that was just beginning to lessen, being reopened and deepened un-necessarily.

 

Complete guff. Throwing around terms like "kangaroo court" shows how utterly blinded some are on this issue. We had top judicial authorities decide whether or not there was a legitimate grievance to be heard, and they were clear in stating there was, under longstanding laws relating to Representation of the People. You need to set aside the fact you disagree with it and understand that - whether he is found 'guilty' or not - those pursuing the claim were doing so via legitimate legal means. That is not a "witch hunt" in my eyes and I find it childish to suggest otherwise. 

 

Again, I'm not reading the rest of your waffle. 

[Ghostrider]

 We had top judicial authorities decide whether or not there was a legitimate grievance to be heard, and they were clear in stating there was, under longstanding laws relating to Representation of the People.

 

Those things may have some value and would provide credibility and vindiction in some country, but this is Scotland we're talking about here, where the Court system is, in my experience and generally speaking, a total shambles, and sinking rapidly.

 

You need to set aside the fact you disagree with it and understand that - whether he is found 'guilty' or not - those pursuing the claim were doing so via legitimate legal means. That is not a "witch hunt" in my eyes and I find it childish to suggest otherwise. 

 

I already fully understand this has been pursued by so called "legitimate" means - legitimised by a legal and Court system that appears to conduct more dubious business than any other kind. In other words, worthless legitimisation.

[hjasga]

 

 We had top judicial authorities decide whether or not there was a legitimate grievance to be heard, and they were clear in stating there was, under longstanding laws relating to Representation of the People.

 

Those things may have some value and would provide credibility and vindiction in some country, but this is Scotland we're talking about here, where the Court system is, in my experience and generally speaking, a total shambles, and sinking rapidly.

 

You need to set aside the fact you disagree with it and understand that - whether he is found 'guilty' or not - those pursuing the claim were doing so via legitimate legal means. That is not a "witch hunt" in my eyes and I find it childish to suggest otherwise. 

 

I already fully understand this has been pursued by so called "legitimate" means - legitimised by a legal and Court system that appears to conduct more dubious business than any other kind. In other words, worthless legitimisation.

 

 

 

Right. I wish I'd realised this was where things were going as if I'd known we were just going to end up claiming Scottish courts are on the whole useless I'd have let things lie a lot sooner. 

 

I'll amend my original point to say those who disagreed with the original petition but who recognise and respect the authority of our country's legal system. I was admittedly naive of me to overlook that this forum would have a few members not matching that caveat. 

Edited November 18, 2015 by hjasga

[Suffererof1crankymofo]

I have to agree with Ghostie here in that if the goings on in our own local court are anything to go by, having witnessed first hand how the Court runs late, how solicitors go in and speak with the Sheriff before the beginning of the morning sessions, how the Courts don't write to you to let you know the outcome of cases if you weren't present, how the Court system can't even manage to serve papers on you correctly or their Agents, how there is no right of appeal for certain fast-track procedures, not to mention how Edinburgh Sheriff Court when answering the phone will advise on the correct form to use and quote "they tend to do their own thing up in the Isles" with Lerwick saying "just turn up" ... how the Sheriff asks the solicitors to advise instead of asking the Clerk to look up the pertinent case law and interpretation of Acts, and upon close scrutinisation of various Acts being badly worded then yes, the judicial system in Scotland IS most definitely a shambles when compared to that elsewhere in the UK.

[George.]

I have to agree with Ghostie here in that if the goings on in our own local court are anything to go by, having witnessed first hand how the Court runs late, how solicitors go in and speak with the Sheriff before the beginning of the morning sessions, how the Courts don't write to you to let you know the outcome of cases if you weren't present, how the Court system can't even manage to serve papers on you correctly or their Agents, how there is no right of appeal for certain fast-track procedures, not to mention how Edinburgh Sheriff Court when answering the phone will advise on the correct form to use and quote "they tend to do their own thing up in the Isles" with Lerwick saying "just turn up" ... how the Sheriff asks the solicitors to advise instead of asking the Clerk to look up the pertinent case law and interpretation of Acts, and upon close scrutinisation of various Acts being badly worded then yes, the judicial system in Scotland IS most definitely a shambles when compared to that elsewhere in the UK.

 

You obviously are of the opinion that this only happens north of the border and never, but never, anywhere else in the U.K.

 

Eyes wide shut?

[Urabug]

What ever the result surely there will be an appeal to waste more money

[hjasga]

What ever the result surely there will be an appeal to waste more money

 

There may be a way for AC to force a judicial review but I don't think he will be eligible for a typical "appeal". 

[Suffererof1crankymofo]

 

I have to agree with Ghostie here in that if the goings on in our own local court are anything to go by, having witnessed first hand how the Court runs late, how solicitors go in and speak with the Sheriff before the beginning of the morning sessions, how the Courts don't write to you to let you know the outcome of cases if you weren't present, how the Court system can't even manage to serve papers on you correctly or their Agents, how there is no right of appeal for certain fast-track procedures, not to mention how Edinburgh Sheriff Court when answering the phone will advise on the correct form to use and quote "they tend to do their own thing up in the Isles" with Lerwick saying "just turn up" ... how the Sheriff asks the solicitors to advise instead of asking the Clerk to look up the pertinent case law and interpretation of Acts, and upon close scrutinisation of various Acts being badly worded then yes, the judicial system in Scotland IS most definitely a shambles when compared to that elsewhere in the UK.

 

You obviously are of the opinion that this only happens north of the border and never, but never, anywhere else in the U.K.

 

Eyes wide shut?

 

 

The Court Service in Scotland is, as you well know, separate from that of The Court Service for England & Wales.  The rules for the two separate judicial systems are different.  In England, Courts do notify all parties concerned of results but there doesn't appear to be a requirement on the Scottish Courts to do that and if there is and I've overlooked it through my ignorance, then it isn't enforced.  So how the dickens if the rules are different do you expect them to apply in different UK countries?  Magistrates in England do not have cosy little chats with solicitors prior to the commencement of proceedings for starters.  

[Roachmill]

...if the goings on in our own local court are anything to go by... then yes, the judicial system in Scotland IS most definitely a shambles when compared to that elsewhere in the UK.

 

You answer your own question midway through:

 

...Edinburgh Sheriff Court when answering the phone will advise on the correct form to use and quote "they tend to do their own thing up in the Isles"...

 

What a relief the whole country isn't in such a shambles then 

Edited November 19, 2015 by Roachmill

[Suffererof1crankymofo]

http://www.scotland-judiciary.org.uk/2/0/Judgments-And-Sentences

[blue beetle]

I don't know or care whether he was guilty or not . But there was only ever going to be one outcome and that's the one announced today. The establishment were always going to close ranks on this. Can you just imagine the chaos a guilty verdict would have caused at all future elections. Politicians make a living out of telling half truths and down right lies. Its a fact of life. Sadly !.

[Scorrie]

So you're saying that, in this case, the judicial system has been told what to do by the 'establishment'?

[paulb]

totally. man is an admitted lier. even judges say so. 

[Urabug]

Well there we have it,the decision has been delivered so let us all respect it and put this issue to rest.

 

If there is any issue with this it is the extortionate cost £208,000 this is absurd and i would like to see it broken down and justified.

[Ghostrider]

So you're saying that, in this case, the judicial system has been told what to do by the 'establishment'?

 

Not necessarily. Anyone in the Court system with an ounce of nouse could see this farce was never going to do "the man", and by extension themselves, any good. Every time an event occured relating to it, folk were reminded one way or another of the poisionous line, "Sturgeon loves Tories". Had this died a death on polling day, that line would have been quickly forgotten, it ain't, as its been dragged back to life time and time again over the last six months, and with only six months left to go before Sturgeon & Co face the ballot box themselves, few who work for them are likely to be brave enough to keep on being party to putting it about. Sensible folk rarely risk biting the hand that feeds them.