Alistair Carmichael memo leak and inquiry: should he resign?

[Gorgonzola Butt-cheese]

I have been critical of dear old Carbuncle many times in the past but I hope this blows over without a byelection.

 

The last thing we need is DaAnus Skene and the snp EU stooges misrepresenting us and ensuring we remained governed by the corrupt and undemocratic EU.

 

FACT - We do not vote for the top level of government listed below

 

ONE example of a left wing commissioner none of us voted for

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1192894/Revealed-How-Kinnocks-enjoyed-astonishing-10m-ride-EU-gravy-train.html

 

 

COMMISSIONERS 

The basic salary of a Commissioner is € 20 666 per month. This is 12,5 % more than the highest civil servant in the EU. The five Vice-Presidents each earn 25 % more, this is € 22 963 in monthly basic salary. The President receives 38 % more, this is € 25,351 per month. Figures are from 1 July 2010. 

The salaries are NOT taxed in their member states. Instead, a low tax is paid to the EU. 

The salaries are multiplied by 1.15 to include a residence allowance at 15 % of the salaries. Commissioners also receive a family allowance, € 171 plus 2% of the basic salary and an entertainment allowance of € 607 per month. The Vice Presidents receive € 911 per month and the President € 1 418. 

For each child they receive € 373 and an additional education allowance, € 253.

When a Commissioner starts in office, he/she receives two month extra pay. When leaving they receive one extra month salary plus a transitional allowance for 3 years. This amount is between 40 and 65 % of their last basic salary, depending on how many years they have served as Commissioners. After 5 year a Commissioner, receive 55 % of their salary for the first 3 years. 

Commissioners receive a daily allowance when they are travelling. They have 5 % more than the highest civil servants do.

Former Commissioners receive a pension from the age of 65, also with the low EU tax. The pension is calculated as 4.275 % of the basic salary for each year up to a maximum of 70 % of the final basic salary. The pension can be paid from the age of 60 with a reduction to 70 %. 

Commissioners can have their EU pensions paid in addition to all national pensions. A pensioned Commissioner with a national pension as a MP or/and a MEP, a pension as minister and a private pension from a private job can accumulate all pensions with no reductions. 

Former Commissioners will therefore have net pensions much higher than the national prime ministers will. On the other hand, both salaries and pensions for Commissioners are lower than what is paid for the leaders of many banks and private companies. Here we don’t judge on what is reasonable – we only bring the facts to the public so that voters can judge on salaries for their public servants.  

[Davie P]

....they didn't seem all that chuffed about UKIP, so you'd best explain how my vote for them constitutes "support" for the "parties they're promoting".

 

So you did vote?

[Distortio]

 

.......just keep complaining all the time that all politicians are untrustworthy lying scum. and then support the parties the all-powerful media who control everything are promoting. [slow hand clap]

 

I wouldn't know who the brain mangling media moguls are rooting for, I don't read or watch any of their crap, the Beano is aimed at a higher IQ than they churn out.

 

Last I had the misfortune to trip over any of it by accident, they didn't seem all that chuffed about UKIP, so you'd best explain how my vote for them constitutes "support" for the "parties they're promoting".

 

 

suffice to say people who own media empires tend to promote those with right wing politics. and yes, that includes farage. i suspect the main purpose behind the endless farage coverage was to shift the tories to the right, which i think i recall you saying you were happy about. i suppose it could just be coincidence that you have similar political views despite getting all your political insight from kids comics. 

[Gorgonzola Butt-cheese]

You comment is entirely wrong " media empires promote right wing politics"  . The only paper which did not attempt to demonize UKIP was the daily express. every other paper only ever reported negative stories about the party , in particular - the independent and the guardian , closely followed by the mirror . then the daily mail and the telegraph which do support the conservatives.

Thats the papers , all pro EU political union except the express

 

Television - channel 4 and BBC - Pro EU - left wing bias .

 

Sky news is in fact less bias, but also quick to distort the UKIP message

 

Here is one example of an MP whose integrity is without doubt

 

Douglas Carswell   -     http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3079849/Farage-calls-crisis-talks-persuade-Ukip-MP-Douglas-Carswell-3-3million-taxpayers-cash.html

 

His book is a very good read I thoroughly recommend it

 

https://www.bitebackpublishing.com/books/the-end-of-politics-and-the-birth-of-idemocracy

[Distortio]

You comment is entirely wrong " media empires promote right wing politics"  . The only paper which did not attempt to demonize UKIP was the daily express. every other paper only ever reported negative stories about the party , in particular - the independent and the guardian , closely followed by the mirror . then the daily mail and the telegraph which do support the conservatives.

Thats the papers , all pro EU political union except the express

 

Television - channel 4 and BBC - Pro EU - left wing bias .

 

Sky news is in fact less bias, but also quick to distort the UKIP message

 

Here is one example of an MP whose integrity is without doubt

 

Douglas Carswell   -     http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3079849/Farage-calls-crisis-talks-persuade-Ukip-MP-Douglas-Carswell-3-3million-taxpayers-cash.html

 

His book is a very good read I thoroughly recommend it

 

https://www.bitebackpublishing.com/books/the-end-of-politics-and-the-birth-of-idemocracy

 

haha! i honestly can't tell if you're joking. sadly i suspect you're not. ok i'll bite, just this once.

 

there's more to right wing politics than ukip. about 4/5 of the uk media are tory supporting, many of those (like the daily mail who you linked the article by) gave voice to the mouth of sauron in order to shift debate to the right. and as for lefty bbc, that's a joke. i think some people have been trumpeting that for so long they've failed to even notice that for years every story if it wasn't about ukip it would have to follow it up with "so what do ukip think about this...?" if you're still in doubt about that one just check farage's hugely disproportionate question time appearances.

 

oh and pro-EU and left wing bias aren't the same thing, but never mind, it's clear you see everything through a ukip filter so i'll just leave this here for you to get angry with while i go to bed.

 

http://i954.photobucket.com/albums/ae26/distortio/Straight-banana.jpg

[Ghostrider]

 

....they didn't seem all that chuffed about UKIP, so you'd best explain how my vote for them constitutes "support" for the "parties they're promoting".

 

So you did vote?

 

 

Well, it would have been a two horse race between the BNP and UKIP, but seeing as the BNP didn't field a local candidate and appear to have pretty much flushed themselves down the crapper as a party, the UKIP got the X in the box.

[Gorgonzola Butt-cheese]

Sorry Mr Distortio but you are certainly skewed , you are clearly operating through your hugely bias anti conservative / UKIP or anything remotely right of centre politics lense.

4 out of 5 tory leaning ?  What do you consider the guardian ,the observer , the independent or the daily mirror ?

Indeed there is a huge amount of left leaning media out there 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_left-wing_publications_in_the_United_Kingdom

 

If you saw the last question time there was one tory MP in a panel that was exclusively left wing

 

I will concede that Farage has been on question time a lot  but UKIP dont get any more than there fair share of airtime as the 3rd biggest party in the UK .

 

Farage should have stuck to his word and resigned as leader and his  autocratic stance is something I dont agree with.

 

I believe democracy can be greatly improved in this country .

 

The EU Referendum is at least democracy in action , but it's being skewed from the off by the BBC and the rest of the mainstream media

 

 You sound like you have an anti democratic stance towards the point of view of nearly 50% of the UK population

 

 Also many people in Shetland get there knickers in a twist about some leaked memo which had no effect on anything really yet the erosion of our soveriegnty , the undemocratic nature of the EU commission or indeed the scale of political gravy train riding in the E.U.and the huge amounts of taxes given to that institution that just goes missing!! All this goes right over the top of most folks heads, are you included ?

 

We live in a country where the average person pays out 47 p of every pound they earn as tax , and it doesn't go anywhere near balancing the books .

Something is clearly wrong with that ?

 

Douglass Carswell 's book gives an excellent description on why we should be rolling back the state and using modern technology to improve democracy and why many services should be taken out of the hands of government.

 

I am all for a flat tax system across the board

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-22575135.

 

I guess it may depend on folks point of view as either a contributor to the tax system or as a drain on it.

 

And I am not getting at pensioners or the disabled with that statement , they deserve a decent level of welfare benefit.

[Windwalker]

The most sensible quote I've read is on Shetland news and is a quote from the Labour Party. Not sure how to link it here, but it's easily accessed. Its at the bottom of the news item and sums it up very well.

 

Haven't voted labour for years, but who knows, if they keep speaking sense

 

As for the witch hunt, no doubt led by snp. I think this just goes to show what methods they will use to get their own way, god help us if they get in, in Shetland.

 

Funny how they haven't started a campaign to find out who leaked the lies that the enquiry had cost 1.4 million, which is now proven to be " a lie". But I suppose they like to be selective about what lies to challenge. Wonder when they will try to raise funds to get to the bottom of that one.

 

I had considered voting snp, but could not as I totally disagree with the breaking up of the UK. I thought if they dropped that, they might be worth a vote. However the way they are behaving and will seem to stop at nothing to get their way means I could never consider voting from them.

[Distortio]

Sorry Mr Distortio but you are certainly skewed , you are clearly operating through your hugely bias anti conservative / UKIP or anything remotely right of centre politics lense.

4 out of 5 tory leaning ?  What do you consider the guardian ,the observer , the independent or the daily mirror ?

 

in order of readership to give a broad picture of overall reach (figures for 2015):

 

1,978,702  the sun  (tory) 

1,688,727  daily mail  (tory)

992,235  daily mirror  (labour)

805,309  evening standard  (tory) (figures for 2015 unavailable, 2014 figures listed)

494,675  daily telegraph  tory)

457,914  daily express  (ukip)

425,246  daily star  (previously tory, but owner richard desmond donated 1.3m to ukip)

396,621  times  (tory)

280,351  i (mini-publication of independent) (tory lib-dem)

219,444  financial times  (tory)

203,725  daily record  (labour)

185,429  guardian  (labour)

61,338  independent  (tory lib-dem)

 

go on,try and explain how that's not a huge right wing bias.

 

If you saw the last question time there was one tory MP in a panel that was exclusively left wing

no i didn't see it. hardly matters after the election though does it? 

 

I will concede that Farage has been on question time a lot  but UKIP dont get any more than there fair share of airtime as the 3rd biggest party in the UK

er, yes they do. how do you think they became so widely known? disproportionate media coverage as mentioned earlier. only 1 ukip MP and even the snp, the greens and the virtually extinct lib-dems have more members: numbers

 

The EU Referendum is at least democracy in action , but it's being skewed from the off by the BBC and the rest of the mainstream media

 

yeah, by making farage the unofficial commentator on all things europe 

 

You sound like you have an anti democratic stance towards the point of view of nearly 50% of the UK population

 

not at all, i just think people would be better equipped to vote on such a thing if the debate wasn't reduced to a clip of farage rolling his goggle eyes and shouting "you can't make it up!" (when he usually just has). the europe debate is more multi-faceted than it's ever portrayed and people just aren't well enough informed about it. and i absolutely include myself in that.

 

...some leaked memo which had no effect on anything really

 

apart from, say, an election result! 

 

I am all for a flat tax system across the board

 

a poll tax then. well, that went well last time, eh?

 

I guess it may depend on folks point of view as either a contributor to the tax system or as a drain on it.

 

And I am not getting at pensioners or the disabled with that statement , they deserve a decent level of welfare benefit.

 

i suspect it depends more on whether you're an ideological right wing zealot or not.

 

as long as you're not 'getting at' pensioners or the disabled, that's fine. but sod everyone else, they can scrape by on nothing, just send them along to a foodbank, eh? 

 

anything else you want to say about undemocratic EU power structures are probably best kept for another thread, and might even be of some interest if you can refrain from copy/pasting it from whatever passes for a ukip manifesto these days.

 

and please, give it a rest about douglas carcrash's book, i can confidently say i will never be so starved of entertainment that i will need to resort to picking that up. even if i was to then drop it off the edge of an active volcano.  

[wotsit]

Hi,

 

As quoted in the news section Salmond "blatantly lied about legal advice on Scotland's membership of the EU".

 

Therefore should he resign and all  SNP MSPs resign as he was the leader at the time of the referendum as they are also guilty by association.

 

He has also never owned up and or apologised , and now sits in the Houses of Parliament as an MP.

Obviously it depends which party you belong to as to whether that is deemed okay.

[Capeesh]

^^ He was cleared of breaking the ministerial code regarding EU legal advice. I wonder what the outcome of Alistair Carmichaels inquiry will be.

[wotsit]

and this

 

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/uknews/scottish-indpendence/111

 

someone is lying here, should they not resign?

 

Have you never ever told a lie while at work even a little white one ?

 

If so you should resign as your either deceiving your employers or customers etc

[wotsit]

Try this link apologies,

 

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/uknews/scottish-independence/11100406/Alex-Salmond-accused-of-lying-over-EU-talks.html

[wotsit]

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/scottish-independence/11100406/Alex-Salmond-accused-of-lying-over-EU-talks.html

[Gorgonzola Butt-cheese]

You were wrong Distortio it's clearly not 4/5 bias to the right wing press . In any case the LIBLABCON  are hardly worthy of naming left or right , it is a poor way of describing politics these days in my opinion.

 

I am not particularly a right wing zealot , I would consider myself a liberal and belief that the country should be run directly by people we actually vote for and that they should be accountable at all times

 

Carmichael being ousted by the SNP witch hunt would be a bad thing in my opinion although I think he is a bampot.

I dont want to live in a one party state of left wing zealots, 

 

You are clearly as entrenched to your point of view  political as I am to mine and thats fair enough . There are plenty of aspects of socialism which i fully agree with , our education and healthcare free at the point of use for all . 

Welfare payment for the sick and disabled and other vulnerable people ,but of course welfare payments should be properly means tested. And able bodied benefit scroungers should be given positive encouragement to live of their own backs, whats wrong with that ?

 

 

 

 In this country the taxes raised fall well short of the actual costs of all the services government currently provides even with the average working person paying out 47 pence of every pound they earn on the many varied taxes to which most of us are subject.

 We are continually told that the numbers dont add up , by many billion , whats the answer ?

 

 I am also a fan of the late Tony Benn and he also clearly understood the democratic failings of the EU, it's a pity he wasn't still around

 

http://civitas.org.uk/newblog/2014/03/labour-should-look-again-at-tony-benns-arguments-for-democracy/

 ,

OK  keep your right eye blinkered if you wish and don't read Douglas's book , you might surprise yourself and find aspects of it you could agree with

 

It is typical of lefty fanatics to just avoid areas of debate that they cant win , and I figure that is why you wont engage on the arguments for or against the corrupt and undemocratic EU