Ghostrider Posted September 18, 2015 Report Share Posted September 18, 2015 ^ I'd tend to see the whole thing as very probably acdemic anyway. If somebody whose never known any other climate than the Middle East turns up here in the face of winter, our weather will make sure they've hightailed it back out the Sooth Mooth long before Voar. But maybe they're more resilient and tolerant than the inherently biased and inaccurate media would try and portray them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Capeesh Posted September 18, 2015 Report Share Posted September 18, 2015 ^^ I would think anybody escaping the bombing, chemical warfare, rape, enslavement and torture that's happening in Syria at the moment will be able to put up with a bit of wind and rain. George. and NoPuffin 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Suffererof1crankymofo Posted September 18, 2015 Report Share Posted September 18, 2015 And what about a homeless ex- British soldier then, perhaps one suffering with PTSD and being an alcoholic too ... would they have Shetlanders offering to put them up in their homes? Would they be welcome too in Shetland or would the fact they were a soothmoother put Shetlanders off? After all, are they not victims of war too? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghostrider Posted September 18, 2015 Report Share Posted September 18, 2015 ^^ I would think anybody escaping the bombing, chemical warfare, rape, enslavement and torture that's happening in Syria at the moment will be able to put up with a bit of wind and rain. No argument on that. However to apply the same logic, I would have thought anybody escaping bombing, chemical warfare, rape, enslavement and torture would be grateful that they'd reached a country, any country, where they would be safe from such perils, and would be trying to salvage and rebuild their lives as a No. 1 priority. Not embark on a transcontinental trek to the country at the top of their "Wish List" or around the various nations of Europe until they found one they liked, while largely apparently relying on the kindness of strangers. I have every sympathy for anybody forced to flee their home and country in fear of their lives, but there's just a few things about how this all is unfolding that doesn't add up for me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post JGHR Posted September 19, 2015 Popular Post Report Share Posted September 19, 2015 This thread makes for fairly depressing reading. I am heartened though because I am able to understand that a dozen or so ignorant BF type bigots posting on shetlink is not representative of the tolerant and humanitarian character that I know exists in the majority of Shetland's people. Much in the same way that I am able to understand that a group of angry youths throwing rocks, or a desperate father stealing to feed his hungry children does not represent the true character that exists in the majority of refugees arriving in Europe today. I have to say the reaction I saw towards this "announcment" from my work colleages probably sums up how most folk are feeling - horrified and incredulous. Why was your work 'colleage' confounded with such horror and incredulousness Kavi? Is the thought of eight people, most likely four adults and four children who would rather live their lives in peace than die a premature and quite possibly brutal death, getting accommodated in a couple of empty council houses in perhaps Fetlar really so abhorrent to him and to you? Is that the thought that is disturbing you? Yes, I feel sorry for the children but it was their parents who dragged them on a dangerous and frightening journey into the "unknown".What would you do Kavi if the known was stay in your home and be butchered along with your family, or if you were lucky, stay for the remainder of your life in a refugee camp in Lebanon or Turkey, a place where you have no access to, work, medical care, justice, adequate amounts of food and clean water, warmth, proper shelter, or education for your children. No access to any hope whatsoever. If that was the known Kavi, wouldn't you be inclined to take a chance on the unknown? Wouldn't you be inclined to 'Traipse past' those refugee camps, and head for a place where you knew the majority of the population are more enlightened, a place where the majority of the population would be sympathetic to your plight, a place where the majority of the population would welcome you, a place which might offer you and your children a glimmer of hope. A place like Germany perhaps, or the UK, or Shetland. That's not what I see......Take off your blinkers, you'll see a bit more. Peerie_Trow, NoPuffin and tlady 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JGHR Posted September 19, 2015 Report Share Posted September 19, 2015 I have every sympathy for anybody forced to flee their home and country in fear of their lives, but there's just a few things about how this all is unfolding that doesn't add up for me. The safety benefit of seatbelts in cars and helmets for motor cycle riders along with universal medical acceptance of the adverse health effect of smoking don't add up for you either. Until you're able to get the hang of those you're bound to struggle with anything more complex. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghostrider Posted September 19, 2015 Report Share Posted September 19, 2015 ^ Pull the other one, it might have bells on. We've had this "discussion" before. Neither of those things are what I said, rather they are twisted interpretations you have chosen to take, for apprently no good reason other than to repeatedly use them as off topic "if you can't debate the argument, attack the person" ammo. D-. Could try harder. Suffererof1crankymofo 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JGHR Posted September 19, 2015 Report Share Posted September 19, 2015 ^ Pull the other one, it might have bells on. We've had this "discussion" before. Neither of those things are what I said, rather they are twisted interpretations you have chosen to take, for apprently no good reason other than to repeatedly use them as off topic "if you can't debate the argument, attack the person" ammo. D-. Could try harder. Here is what you said about crash helmets and seat belts. I can't quickly find your position on smoking so I'm happy to concede that point. Perhaps you would like to clarify it for the record. Do you accept that it is beyond all doubt that smoking is harmful. If I have misrepresented your opinion on that I apologise. My point stands. If you are not able to grasp the simple concept that seatbelts in cars and helmets on motor cycle riders lead to increased levels of overall road safety it is unlikely that you will be able to get to grips with the complexities of the 14 century old Sunni/Shia divide that is driving the mass exodus of people to Europe. Instead you may just find yourself thinking that it doesn't add up because they don't just move to the country next door. Seatbelts are just another piece of quite cleverly designed and delivered government propaganda. All the making of them mandatory did was to change the type of injuries and causes of death resulting from collisions. Their "justification" relies on massaged statistics, and they are of an extremely poor design. Much, much more would be achieved if vehicle bodyshell design and construction was targetted, but of course that would men an increase in the cost of vehicles, and the industry would "persuade" any Govt. that was a "bad idea". If you believe wearing a seat belt makes you any "safer" overall than you would be not wearing one, you've been sold the scam. Yes, a crash helmet could be a very valuable safety item, if it was designed more like a deep sea diver's helmet where the shoulders provided support to minimise whiplash on the neck, and aided the dissipation of the impact shock more evenly throughout the body, instead of magnifying its effect and dissipating it through the neck while the head bounces aroudn like a punchbag. Helmets as they are are virtually worthless, for every head injury the prevent, or at least minimise somewhat, they contribute to making another much more severe than it would have been had the lid not been worn. Add to that the safety implications of reduced vision due to visors steaming up and reduced awareness of your surroundings due to the average helmet making you largely deaf, and the damn things are nothing but death traps waiting to pounce on you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Capeesh Posted September 19, 2015 Popular Post Report Share Posted September 19, 2015 (edited) The de-humanisation and demonisation of refugees will repulse most people.If dead babies started getting washed up on Mael beach or St Ninians isle, does anyone have any doubt that the vast majority of Shetlanders would do everything in their power to help?If a family scarred from the horrors of war found refuge in Shetland, would most Shetlanders not make them feel as welcome as possible?They would in the Shetland I know. Edited September 19, 2015 by Capeesh tirvaluk, crofter and concerned shetlander 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mrs Miggins Posted September 19, 2015 Report Share Posted September 19, 2015 I see that Eurostat says only "1 out of 5 first time asylum seekers originates from Syria" Interesting to note in the report that 17,700 were from Albania, which is a country at peace. http://ec.europa.eu/eurostat/documents/2995521/6996925/3-18092015-BP-EN.pdf/b0377f79-f06d-4263-aa5b-cc9b4f6a838f http://metro.co.uk/2015/09/19/eu-statisticians-claim-only-1-in-5-migrants-are-from-syria-5398412/ Ironwithin 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ironwithin Posted September 19, 2015 Report Share Posted September 19, 2015 All it takes is for good people to give in to evil like the people who are hell bent on destroying our Europe one bit at a time. Our people have to protect ourselves, let the so called do gooders/traitors not be the majority. They make me so sad they hate what our forebears fought for so hard, they will be the death of Europe. Every poll I see is against any more migration. It has been the ruin of the west. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sushinori Posted September 19, 2015 Report Share Posted September 19, 2015 It was on the news that only 4 out of 5 of these people are actually from Syria. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Urabug Posted September 19, 2015 Report Share Posted September 19, 2015 Our forefathers fought and many sacrficed there lives in wars in the past to stop our country being taken over so we could live in peace. For seventy years this has been sucessful and I for one want that to continue. There is an old saying "When in Rome do as the Romans do" but it seems the saying now would be "When in Britain do anything you want to do " This is mainly a result of us joining the EU and opening our borders to everyone who cares to enter. Yes we are being taken over gradually bit by bit by people from all nationalities. Is this really what we British want ? How much of Britian actually belongs to Britain. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B/M/S Posted September 19, 2015 Report Share Posted September 19, 2015 If it was us heading the other way looking for refuge how would we be received ??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Urabug Posted September 19, 2015 Report Share Posted September 19, 2015 If it was us heading the other way looking for refuge how would we be received ???The way things are going we might soon find out! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Recommended Posts
Join the conversation
You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.