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You're splitting some mighty fine hairs once again. Are WS saying they back Tavish but don't want anyone to vote for him? Of course not. You simply cannot vote for him without voting for his party. Hence the current sh*tstorm. Add in now being outwardly opposed to the SNP and it's pretty blooming clear support is there for the LibDems by way of their sure-fire candidate.

 

Quibble over a word here and a mini-trolling there, but WS is supporting the LibDems on this occasion.

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Whatever the intention was, a vote for Tavish is a vote for his party. What's left of it.

Yes! usually when someone helps or comes to the aid of another they usually get praised,but not in politics .

 

Never really understood what they did wrong,thought  given the situation at the time it was probably a good thing, but I must be among the very few who think this way. 

 

Oh! they will be come back when we all discover the "others"  cannot fulfil all there promises !

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WS became involved in tribal party politics the minute they backed the Liberal Democrat candidate Tavish Scott in the Scottish election.

In addition, the endless churning out of SNP bad stuff (getting more and more hysterical the closer we get to the election) makes the claim they're some all encompassing group, desperate to avoid tribal party politics absolutely ludicrous.

@Colin pfffft

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...because WS stands for ridding local politics of national UK politics, and national UK parties...

By backing one of them?

 

...The criticism you preceive as being "anti-SNP", as I see it is anti-Scottish Government criticism, as they are the real problem...

I have wondered why the Tory government in Westminster by and large gets let of the hook by WS.

...I don't suppose the previous two SNP led Scottish Governments will want to accept the credit, but it is they who have caused WS to be conceived...

I agree, but for a different reason than you've given, it seems more likely to me it had more to do with the anti SNP mob being alarmed at the increase in SNP support in Shetland at the last election.

...So thankyou to the SNP at least for giving us that - the reasons and motivation to get off our arses and take control of ourselves...

Thousands of Shetlanders voted for the SNP in the last election, if this was really about more powers for Shetland would it not make sense to avoid alienating them, I'm sure many of them would like to see more powers for Shetland themselves. Edited by Capeesh
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^ As has been said repeatedly, WS's backing of Tavish is for the individual, not the party....

Yes, but I'm not a member of your group, I don't need a committee to tell me how to think, who to vote for and what to boycott, I'm free to look at the actions and words of WS and make my own mind up.

 

In the WS statement the chairman of WS said he and his committee had decided for their members that WS were going to back the Liberal Democrat candidate in the election.

 

Following on from that was a full dose of the obligatory anti SNP waffle, then (in what reads like a party political broadcast for the LibDems) started waxing lyrical about how wonderful the LibDems were.

 

After all this WS are still trying to convince people they're some kind of all encompassing, multi party group.

 

I don't think people will swallow that one but who knows?

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I thought Wir Shetland was an interesting idea. Thought I'd hold off for a bit to see how things panned out.

 

It seems from recent media that the chair only wants people involved that agree with him on every issue (otherwise why was he calling out Ms Westlake on her thoughts on education which was otherwise irrelevant to the discussion) and has no interest in 'risking' (my choice of word) a membership vote on something as important as who to support in the upcoming election.

 

A true 'multi-party' group wouldn't be so quick to alienate the second largest group of voters on the island.

 

Mr Tulloch seems to have delusions of importance, where his views trump the views of others.

 

He does seem to have a few committed supporters, but he also seems to have a few that are very unhappy with the way things have been played out.

 

Personally I think the only way forward for the group's survival is to elect a new, more open, chair. One that might encourage people to join, rather than leave, the group.

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I was very interested in wir shetland as I did not want to either vote snp or tavish. I hoped that wir shetland would stand a candidate, but was very disappointed when they backed tavish. Tavish and Carmichael are just career politicians, and tavish knows his best chance of keeping his nice little earner is to agree with wir Shetland and get a few votes that way, which is definitely working. After he's won the vote again by mis truth, lies or whatever gets him there he will just be the usual tavish doing exactly what he wants. He is not there for any of our good, he is just there for himself. Where are our politicians with a grain of common sense and integrity and concern for the shetland public and not their own interests.

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I thought Wir Shetland was an interesting idea. Thought I'd hold off for a bit to see how things panned out.

 

It seems from recent media that the chair only wants people involved that agree with him on every issue (otherwise why was he calling out Ms Westlake on her thoughts on education which was otherwise irrelevant to the discussion) and has no interest in 'risking' (my choice of word) a membership vote on something as important as who to support in the upcoming election.

 

A true 'multi-party' group wouldn't be so quick to alienate the second largest group of voters on the island.

 

Mr Tulloch seems to have delusions of importance, where his views trump the views of others.

 

He does seem to have a few committed supporters, but he also seems to have a few that are very unhappy with the way things have been played out.

 

Personally I think the only way forward for the group's survival is to elect a new, more open, chair. One that might encourage people to join, rather than leave, the group.

Most of what you say is the main reason I have not joined WS... 

 

Although I support their aims, I feel that they (WS) are in danger of being dragged around by a few vocal individuals and, I don't want to be their "cannon fodder" being "tarred with the same brush" and having to justify their views to anyone.

 

Maybe it's a "Shetland Thing" where the chairperson of most local organisations seem to think that t is they who run things and that the rest, pretty much, have to do as they are told.

 

"People Power" is great but, "Power People" are dangerous.

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I thought Wir Shetland was an interesting idea. Thought I'd hold off for a bit to see how things panned out.

 

It seems from recent media that the chair only wants people involved that agree with him on every issue (otherwise why was he calling out Ms Westlake on her thoughts on education which was otherwise irrelevant to the discussion) and has no interest in 'risking' (my choice of word) a membership vote on something as important as who to support in the upcoming election.

 

A true 'multi-party' group wouldn't be so quick to alienate the second largest group of voters on the island.

 

Mr Tulloch seems to have delusions of importance, where his views trump the views of others.

 

He does seem to have a few committed supporters, but he also seems to have a few that are very unhappy with the way things have been played out.

 

Personally I think the only way forward for the group's survival is to elect a new, more open, chair. One that might encourage people to join, rather than leave, the group.

Most of what you say is the main reason I have not joined WS... 

 

Although I support their aims, I feel that they (WS) are in danger of being dragged around by a few vocal individuals and, I don't want to be their "cannon fodder" being "tarred with the same brush" and having to justify their views to anyone.

 

Maybe it's a "Shetland Thing" where the chairperson of most local organisations seem to think that t is they who run things and that the rest, pretty much, have to do as they are told.

 

"People Power" is great but, "Power People" are dangerous.

 

 

So you reckon that's the case with Wir Shetland?  The Chair announces on behalf of the Committee and that's no different to a lot of organisations.  I'm not seeing Wir Shetland being dragged around by a few vocal individuals, what I am seeing is that people are free to air their own views.

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