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The government is imposing crippling austerity on the country particularly  on the poor and sick yet can find yet more billions  for the EU .   http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3237073/Cameron-Osborne-quietly-pay-1-7BILLION-bill-Brussels-dismisses-totally-unacceptable.html

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The collapse of the E.U. has already begun, all across Europe people are flocking to the anti E.U parties, the most recent and extreme of those being PERGIDA which is worrying.

The E.U. leaders brought this on themselves due to the undemocratic nature of the commission and the extravagant Champagne lifestyles they all enjoy.

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Lets get a Shetland Poll going , it is apparent there will be a certain amount of Strategic voting as Scottish Nationalist will hope to trigger a second Scottish election.

Folk with solid socialist principles will be voting as David Cameron and the Royal Family suggest, strange times indeed......

 

everybody has their view ....?

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Nicola Sturgeon has announced a campaign to get the English to vote to stay in the EU. Yet she has previously stated that if England ''rips'' Scotland out of the EU this would trigger the new independence referendum  she wants..So surely she should be campaigning for the English to vote to leave the EU  not to stay in.  http://www.heraldscotland.com/news/14291463.Sturgeon_will_take_fight_to_stay_in_Europe_to_English_voters/

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Nicola Sturgeon has announced a campaign to get the English to vote to stay in the EU. Yet she has previously stated that if England ''rips'' Scotland out of the EU this would trigger the new independence referendum  she wants..So surely she should be campaigning for the English to vote to leave the EU  not to stay in.  http://www.heraldscotland.com/news/14291463.Sturgeon_will_take_fight_to_stay_in_Europe_to_English_voters/

 

That's a typical "top position" politician for you, less integrity than a snake oil salesman.

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Nicola Sturgeon has announced a campaign to get the English to vote to stay in the EU. Yet she has previously stated that if England ''rips'' Scotland out of the EU this would trigger the new independence referendum  she wants..So surely she should be campaigning for the English to vote to leave the EU  not to stay in.  http://www.heraldscotland.com/news/14291463.Sturgeon_will_take_fight_to_stay_in_Europe_to_English_voters/

 

That's a typical "top position" politician for you, less integrity than a snake oil salesman.

 

How does that demonstrate a lack of integrity? She supports the EU and Scotland's continued membership of it. The only certain way to secure that is to vote to Remain on June 23rd. Anything after that is extremely unpredictable, and I expect being inside the UK and outside the EU is 'worst case' for many SNP supporters. 

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So an "out" vote by the UK would supposedly give the SNP a mandate for Independence.. presumably only if the overall vote in Scotland is "in"? So then following that logic, if Britain votes to stay "in" or if Britain votes "out" and the SNP try to use this for Scotland to leave and stay "in" but in either case Shetland votes "out" we would have a legitimate claim to having our own referendum about changing our status either with the UK or with an independent Scotland.

If Scotland should not be dragged out of the EU against it's will (if that is indeed the will of the public) then it follows that Shetland should not be forced to remain in if we want out. 

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So an "out" vote by the UK would supposedly give the SNP a mandate for Independence.. presumably only if the overall vote in Scotland is "in"? So then following that logic, if Britain votes to stay "in" or if Britain votes "out" and the SNP try to use this for Scotland to leave and stay "in" but in either case Shetland votes "out" we would have a legitimate claim to having our own referendum about changing our status either with the UK or with an independent Scotland.

 

If Scotland should not be dragged out of the EU against it's will (if that is indeed the will of the public) then it follows that Shetland should not be forced to remain in if we want out. 

You're forgetting that self determination only extends as far north as Caithness and could well move further south depending on how the good people of Wick vote.

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So an "out" vote by the UK would supposedly give the SNP a mandate for Independence.. presumably only if the overall vote in Scotland is "in"? So then following that logic, if Britain votes to stay "in" or if Britain votes "out" and the SNP try to use this for Scotland to leave and stay "in" but in either case Shetland votes "out" we would have a legitimate claim to having our own referendum about changing our status either with the UK or with an independent Scotland.

 

If Scotland should not be dragged out of the EU against it's will (if that is indeed the will of the public) then it follows that Shetland should not be forced to remain in if we want out. 

 

It wouldn't be a mandate for independence in and of itself, but I'd support the argument that it would be sufficient change of circumstance to justify another referendum on the matter. 

 

And in the circumstances you set out I would equally support a referendum for Shetland, albeit one in which I expect we would vote in differing ways. 

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"It wouldn't be a mandate for independence in and of itself, but I'd support the argument that it would be sufficient change of circumstance to justify another referendum on the matter. 

 

 

And in the circumstances you set out I would equally support a referendum for Shetland, albeit one in which I expect we would vote in differing ways."

 

At least you recognise the right to self determination extending further north than the Pentland firth, and that is all that wir Shetland is asking for. So why are the snp so afraid of the idea?

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