Wheelsup Posted June 26, 2016 Report Share Posted June 26, 2016 Without the UK I don' t that joining the EU is going to be a very attractive option. Perhaps UK/Scotland better off joining some kind of Nordic union with like-minded people whalsa and concerned shetlander 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kavi Ugl Posted June 26, 2016 Report Share Posted June 26, 2016 (edited) Do you think if we asked nicely, Norway would let us come and play with them instead?In a word, yes and it's time we were serious about it. I simply can't fathom why Shetland voted for Remain. I'm hoping(as I was told by a Remain voter) that it was just "better the devil you know" but my fear is it was something else. Anyhow, I think what we'll see is the EU imploding and the break up of the United Kingdom. Ms Sturgeon thinks Scotland can remain in the EU but if the EU implodes then there's nothing to join. Even if the EU remains and Scotland asks to join, there will be a hefty price to pay. That price will be surrender of the fishing grounds and oil fields. And make no mistake, the SNP will give whatever it takes. Just a couple of weeks ago the EU made murmurings about Norway's oil and unsurprisingly Norway told them to get stuffed. It wasn't and isn't going to happen. Similarly, if the United Kingdom breaks up then there's no more Great Britain and this blows British Overseas Territory(BOT) status out of the water. After centuries of mis-rule and mis-treatment it's time for Shetland to go home. It's time to start negotiations with Norway. Edited June 26, 2016 by Kavi Ugl Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redrobbie99 Posted June 26, 2016 Author Report Share Posted June 26, 2016 This decision to leave seems to be causing the Labour party to tear itself apart . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KOYAANISQATSI Posted June 27, 2016 Report Share Posted June 27, 2016 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redrobbie99 Posted June 27, 2016 Author Report Share Posted June 27, 2016 It appears that the EU is planning their own army after all .http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/682541/REVEALED-EU-to-rubber-stamp-its-HUGE-1trillion-budget-NEXT-week-after-referendum-delay Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redrobbie99 Posted June 27, 2016 Author Report Share Posted June 27, 2016 Here is some information the remain campaigners did not tell us about . http://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/683739/EU-referendum-German-French-European-superstate-Brexit Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blue beetle Posted June 27, 2016 Report Share Posted June 27, 2016 (edited) Slightly off topic. Despite these troubled times political turmoil and falling markets (Including the SIC,s little stash) we can always depend on the England football team to cheer us up.They have managed to leave Europe twice in one week. What a bunch of losers. LMFAO... Go Iceland .! Edited June 27, 2016 by blue beetle fionajohn 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redrobbie99 Posted June 27, 2016 Author Report Share Posted June 27, 2016 (edited) Here is another article about Germany's plans for the EU Do we really want to be a part of this ?.http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3662827/Has-Britain-avoided-European-superstate-France-Germany-draw-plans-morph-EU-countries-one-control-members-armies-economies.html Edited June 27, 2016 by Redrobbie99 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Scorrie Posted June 28, 2016 Popular Post Report Share Posted June 28, 2016 It appears that the EU is planning their own army after all .http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/682541/REVEALED-EU-to-rubber-stamp-its-HUGE-1trillion-budget-NEXT-week-after-referendum-delay Well, if they want to save some money on their arms budget, we've a massive pile of unwanted air rifles they can have...... whalsa, Roachmill and Claadehol 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whalsa Posted June 28, 2016 Report Share Posted June 28, 2016 I cannot get my head around why some Scots are so hell bent on trading Westminster for Brussels, that is far from true independence! It will almost certainly not be as straightforward as some make out, with Scotland having to first become independent and then apply for re-entry. Shetland (and Scotland) voted for the UK to remain in the EU but this does not automatically mean all those voters would back independence on the basis of trying to re-join the EU. I imagine many voted for the status quo due to fear of the unknown and economic considerations, both of which would be major concerns in another referendum. As Shetlanders we have to ask ourselves, do we really want to go along with this? Another divisive referendum with which the end result could easily be us ending up surrendering our fishing grounds all over again (with less of a quota due to losing the derogation the UK currently enjoys) and being tied to an ailing currency and political set up which is both undemocratic and seriously under threat of collapse. Rasmie and Berserker 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
George. Posted June 28, 2016 Report Share Posted June 28, 2016 It appears that the EU is planning their own army after all .http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/682541/REVEALED-EU-to-rubber-stamp-its-HUGE-1trillion-budget-NEXT-week-after-referendum-delay What a surprise. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Ghostrider Posted June 28, 2016 Popular Post Report Share Posted June 28, 2016 (edited) The EU is striving to become a United States of Europe, we've known this for at least the last 25 years, and its now clear "reform from within" to prevent it isn't a realistic a option, too many in it are on a "USE or bust" mission. Look at the USA, as that is the model they're (loosely?) following, the only thing is Europe is trying to do it cutting out a few of the arguably most important checks and counter balances the USA has right at the top of the pile. For a "United States" of anywhere to have a hope of working you need certain elements, a single currency (check for the EU), nationwide laws (increasing rapidly in the EU), nationwide single law enforcement and military jurisdiction (the former is well underway and the latter (allegedly) proposed/planned in the EU), arguably being the main ones for "the state" to be able to function. Where it all goes a bit pear shaped for the EU though is that while the USA nationally has Congress, the Senate and a President each seperately (democratically?) elected by the nation who provide counter balances and checks to each other, the EU has the European Parliament (Congress equivalent) but any excuse for a Senate or "President" are all appointed by a core clique answerable to no-one but themselves, and there's no hint that hierachy might change anytime soon. Effectively the EU has, on the ground, a potentially workable system, *if* that's what the population wants to make work, but a stinking dirty rotten "leadership". If you want the UK, or Scotland to be the equivalent in a "Europe" nation as the likes of Maine or Montana are within an "America" nation, then the EU's plans are for you, but just remember that the USA was created within a relatively short period of time by a generally equal group of people, and they still needed a civil war and few other skirmishes to figure out how to live that way. Europe on the other hand is a "nation" of multiple cultures, national identities, borders and grudges as old as the earth it sits on, and pretty much all of whom have fought pitched battles with each other in relatively recent history. Its not impossible, in fact it could be easy, *if* it was the will of the people to make it work, but it'll be long drawn out and bloody as long as those in charge continue to order the people to do what they're told to make it happen. For over forty years the Soviets used every means of force available to them to obliterate several former Eastern European nations and assimilate them and their populations, and we all know where that ended up. As soon as the means of force vanished those populations and nations re-constitued themselves right back to where they were prior to outside intervention. If the Soviets using force failed so miserably at that forced integration exercise, and the EU hierachy didn't learn from it that force in such matters equals failure, there really isn't much more to say about them until and unless they learn that the carrot works better than the stick. For anyone who still doesn't believe the EU is doing its damndest to become the USE, it might be worth having a look at the UEF before dismissing the idea entirely. Edited June 28, 2016 by Ghostrider Suffererof1crankymofo, whalsa, Colin and 3 others 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Capeesh Posted June 28, 2016 Report Share Posted June 28, 2016 (edited) To say countries like Germany, France, Denmark, Holland, Belgium etc etc aren't independent states because they share some sovereignty in the EU is a bit far fetched. Edited June 28, 2016 by Capeesh Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fionajohn Posted June 28, 2016 Report Share Posted June 28, 2016 could Shetland join the E U as an independant state ....just a thought ...oil etc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghostrider Posted June 28, 2016 Report Share Posted June 28, 2016 To say countries like Germany, France, Denmark, Holland, Belgium etc etc aren't independent states because they share some sovereignty in the EU is a bit far fetched. Nobody said that, and its definitely not what the UEF, who are the lion's share of the EU but by a different name, are saying they want either. The constituent nations of the EU are all independent sovereign nations, as yet. The future, however, is giving all indictions of being something entirely different. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Recommended Posts
Join the conversation
You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.