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Is Scotland rich enough to join EU?

 

With the oil price the way it is, surely Scotland would also have to take responsibility for their portion UK national debt.

 

Does EU really want another lame duck someone who just sponging of the EU and putting nothing in?

 

Nicola will destroy Scotland.

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Video of SNP MEP Alan Smith literally begging the EU and getting a standing ovation .He is probably worried about losing his gold plated EU job . He should not worry i believe they get a £250,000 pay off plus pension [No wounder they love the EU so much ]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uZONWQ8VOOg

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In the previous referendum, people voting Yes, were risking Scotland's access to EU by leaving UK!

So now the loss of EU membership. Is a reason for a second referendum? However that would lay Indyref to rest for a hundred years.

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^ And if they vote Yes in a second referendum, they're risking access to the UK by remaining within the EU. I am so glad I'm not a Yes voter so that I do not need to stress out over such conundrums.

 

The only thing that surprises me right now is that the Irish are keeping so quiet about the UK's exit from the EU (or maybe they aren't, but our "impartial" media have decided it wouldn't be good for us to know about it), as unless Brussels and London strike a good deal for EU access to UK markets, the Irish will lose a chunk of their export market, and find their access to EU mainland markets more complicated/expensive. As no longer will they be able to nip across from Dublin, then down through southern England and across the Channel as they please, there will be border controls both end, and who know what kind of import/export duties due.

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Given SNP do not have majority vote, they shout the loudest,  with the stamping of her foot but that is about all

SNP vote was 1.6M out of a possible 4M voters to remain EU

Leave was 1M

 

Which then leaves 1.4 M that did not vote.

Nicola does not have majority of Scottish people behind her to remain in EU.

 

Does she still realise that even as independent Scotland there is no guarantee of getting into EU, she is turning her back on UK she could therefore ruin Scotland. They have so little income, it would be total economic ruin or is she so delusional that she think everybody will do as she says as her name is Nicola Sturgeon and thinks she God. Up to 90% of Scottish exports go to rest of the UK. 

 

How would Scotland support itself without money from EU and money from the rest of the UK under the Barnett formula.? Oil is not worth very much and her only other real export is Whisky.

Why would EU want another country just taking, sponging and adding very little. Scotland would end up like Greece - bankrupt, is this what she wants for the people of Scotland and a country she claims to love.

She would risk all just to try to annoy English . Time for her to grow up, she is becoming an embarrassment to Scotland. Time now to govern Scotland not ruin it.

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Fundamentally flawed to assume those that did not vote are a homganeous group and you really know what they want.

 

In terms of the U.K. 28% of the population did not vote so if you wish to include them in the total then roughly only 37% of eligible voters actually voted to leave the EU.

 

On that basis less than 50% of eligible voters voted in favour of leaving the EU so where is that democratic mandate?

 

The reality is if you did not vote you have to accept the out-turn based upon those who choose to vote to record their view.

 

Those with a long enough memory back in 1979 there was a clause that required 40% of eligible voters had to vote Yes for the Scottish Assembly to be created. Although Shetland vote No in 1979 and Scotland did vote Yes the required 40% was not achieved.

 

The other classic error people are making is that the September 2014 vote and June 2016 are linked. They are not, for starters a million less people voted and you cannot assume that 38% for leave is made up exclusively of No voters or that those who voted remain will favour Europe over the UK.

 

Opinion polls may now show that the majority of Scotland now favour an independence that does not mean if another referendum is held it will vote for Scottish independence.

 

However just as the UK can survive economically outside the EU so can Scotland survive outside the rUK.

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How  can Scotland survive outside the UK when 90 % of its exports go to the rest of the UK unless there is a trade deal between the UK and the EU (Scotland). If there is a trade deal, there would be no advantage for Scotland to be in the EU.

 

If there was no trade deal Scotland would be better off in the UK.

 

As for comment on who voted for what and when and why, you had better tell Nicola she seems to think most Scots wants independence because they voted to remain in the EU.

 

The 2 do not correlate although Nicola seems to think they do

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Fundamentally flawed to assume those that did not vote are a homganeous group and you really know what they want.

 

In terms of the U.K. 28% of the population did not vote so if you wish to include them in the total then roughly only 37% of eligible voters actually voted to leave the EU.

 

On that basis less than 50% of eligible voters voted in favour of leaving the EU so where is that democratic mandate?

 

Unless I have misunderstood your point, I would suggest that your assumption that the 28% who did not vote would all have voted the same way is also, fundamentally flawed.

If you are going to include the "missing" 28% to bolster your argument then, you have to assume that their votes would have been divided on a pro-rata basis. 

That would cause the percentage of voters on either side of the argument to remain unchanged.

 

It was a single issue referendum and the "leave" side won the day by more than 1 million votes (and your missing 28% would have made the margin a little higher).  For better or, for worse, the "people" have finally had their say and the result cannot be changed just because the minority(?) didn't like it..  It's called "democracy" and, if we are to survive in our present fashion, we are "stuck" with it.

 

We get very few chances to exercise a truly democratic choice on the way that we are governed/ruled.  Embrace every opportunity.

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Including those who did not vote to suggest a decision or party does not have the majority is flawed. Their views are not declared so cannot assume they support in this instance remain or leave. Also as not declared assuming these individuals view would have split similar to those that voted also has no basis to support that view.

 

Straight forward if you do not vote you end up with what those who voted decided and normally only have 5 years to suffer the consequences. The results of this vote are slightly longer lasting.

 

The missing million votes is solely in Scotland as the turnout was down from the record high 85% from September 2014.

 

The SNP may or may not have the mood of the country in respect of a second referendum however if you respect the will of the people of Scotland having a second referendum will decisively end the question and allow the country to move on inside or outside the current U.K.

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