EU v UK

[George.]

Certainly, a huge, massive, hard as nails border with England and therefore rUK, offers Shetland and the rest of Scotland incredible benefits. Stuff the EU though. Don't forget, it was Ted Heath that forced the EU upon us without even asking what the people thought. Then again, why should he care, we live under a regal theocracy and not the democracy that they have claimed for centuries, lying the whole way through.

Edited March 14, 2017 by George.

[Claadehol]

Sorry! 3rd line should obviously read "leaving the EU"  

[Claadehol]

Well George you wont get one without the other, not with our Nicola!

[Scorrie]

What about the small matter of the 63% of all Scottish exports that go Sooth to the rest of the UK?

 

That's £49bn you've just smoked, George.

 

Currently Scottish exports to the EU are a pathetic 16% (£12bn), and rest of world are 21% (£16bn), there's no way Scotland/Shetland can turn it's back on rUK as a trading partner.

 

Also, if Scotland votes Indy and joins the EU, it will have to toe the EU line on common trade agreements. It will not be able to negotiate independently with rUK. So, if the EU take their bat home regarding trade with rUK - then Scotland is stuffed regarding the £63bn.

 

Happy days, eh?

 

http://www.gov.scot/Topics/Statistics/Browse/Economy/Exports/ESSPublication

[George.]

Scotlands 16% exports to the EU isn't worth worrying about. Scotland will benefit greatly, as will Shetland. After all, we won't have every man and his wee brother, all from Europe, coming around and stripping our waters bare. Think about how much fish we wave goodbye to at the mo'. Consider the value of the oil in our local waters etc, etc. Goodbye rUK, goodbye EU, don't forget to write (to somebody else, we don't want to hear from you!!!).

[George.]

http://www.gov.scot/Topics/Statistics/Browse/Economy/Exports/ESSPublication

 

Look at that, a government pic that doesn't include Shetland, or Orkney either. Hebrides? Perhaps there's an Englishman working there after all.

Edited March 14, 2017 by George.

[Scorrie]

Scotlands 16% exports to the EU isn't worth worrying about. Scotland will benefit greatly, as will Shetland. After all, we won't have every man and his wee brother, all from Europe, coming around and stripping our waters bare. Think about how much fish we wave goodbye to at the mo'. Consider the value of the oil in our local waters etc, etc. Goodbye rUK, goodbye EU, don't forget to write (to somebody else, we don't want to hear from you!!!).

 

Are you talking here about just Shetland or Shetland and Scotland combined, George?

[Claadehol]

But George my good man, you dont seem to understand !  Nicola is determined to grovel to the EU after abandoning the UK, and the fishing access will be a price worth paying. 

Independence means rule from Brussels........curiously enough!

[George.]

 

Scotlands 16% exports to the EU isn't worth worrying about. Scotland will benefit greatly, as will Shetland. After all, we won't have every man and his wee brother, all from Europe, coming around and stripping our waters bare. Think about how much fish we wave goodbye to at the mo'. Consider the value of the oil in our local waters etc, etc. Goodbye rUK, goodbye EU, don't forget to write (to somebody else, we don't want to hear from you!!!).

 

Are you talking here about just Shetland or Shetland and Scotland combined, George?

 

 

I consider Shetland primarily and Scotland as a whole after that, Scorrie.

 

 

But George my good man, you dont seem to understand !  Nicola is determined to grovel to the EU after abandoning the UK, and the fishing access will be a price worth paying. 

Independence means rule from Brussels........curiously enough!

 

At present, in my opinion wee Nicci is Scotlands best bet for independence, brochy. After that? Well, I wouldn't like to guess on her life expectancy. I wouldn't support the EU either. It's not a friend to Shetland in any way.

Edited March 14, 2017 by George.

[Wheelsup]

Looks like the only people we cannot afford to fall out with is rUK.

A hard exit/sour divorce is not going to help this.

Scotgov already snubbed Trump.

Joining the EU as a tiddly wee country will have a further negative effect with throwing away our fish stock.

No brains or no brainer.

[Redrobbie99]

It seems Spain is not keen on Scotland becoming a member of the EU for some reason . http://www.heraldscotland.com/news/15154608.Independent_Scotland_would_be_at_back_of_EU_queue__says_Spain/?ref=mr&lp=5

Edited March 14, 2017 by Redrobbie99

[mikeyboy]

What about the small matter of the 63% of all Scottish exports that go Sooth to the rest of the UK?

 

That's £49bn you've just smoked, George.

 

Currently Scottish exports to the EU are a pathetic 16% (£12bn), and rest of world are 21% (£16bn), there's no way Scotland/Shetland can turn it's back on rUK as a trading partner.

 

Also, if Scotland votes Indy and joins the EU, it will have to toe the EU line on common trade agreements. It will not be able to negotiate independently with rUK. So, if the EU take their bat home regarding trade with rUK - then Scotland is stuffed regarding the £63bn.

 

Happy days, eh?

 

http://www.gov.scot/Topics/Statistics/Browse/Economy/Exports/ESSPublication

Are you under the impression you need a trade deal to trade?

Does the EU have a trade deal with China or the US?

There is nothing to stop Scotland trading with UK after independence.

Edited March 14, 2017 by mikeyboy

[Redrobbie99]

 

What about the small matter of the 63% of all Scottish exports that go Sooth to the rest of the UK?

 

That's £49bn you've just smoked, George.

 

Currently Scottish exports to the EU are a pathetic 16% (£12bn), and rest of world are 21% (£16bn), there's no way Scotland/Shetland can turn it's back on rUK as a trading partner.

 

Also, if Scotland votes Indy and joins the EU, it will have to toe the EU line on common trade agreements. It will not be able to negotiate independently with rUK. So, if the EU take their bat home regarding trade with rUK - then Scotland is stuffed regarding the £63bn.

 

Happy days, eh?

 

http://www.gov.scot/Topics/Statistics/Browse/Economy/Exports/ESSPublication

Are you under the impression you need a trade deal to trade?

Does the EU have a trade deal with China or the US?

There is nothing to stop Scotland trading with UK after independence.

 

Equally there is nothing to stop Scotland trading with the EU after Brexit 

[Scorrie]

 

What about the small matter of the 63% of all Scottish exports that go Sooth to the rest of the UK?

 

That's £49bn you've just smoked, George.

 

Currently Scottish exports to the EU are a pathetic 16% (£12bn), and rest of world are 21% (£16bn), there's no way Scotland/Shetland can turn it's back on rUK as a trading partner.

 

Also, if Scotland votes Indy and joins the EU, it will have to toe the EU line on common trade agreements. It will not be able to negotiate independently with rUK. So, if the EU take their bat home regarding trade with rUK - then Scotland is stuffed regarding the £63bn.

 

Happy days, eh?

 

http://www.gov.scot/Topics/Statistics/Browse/Economy/Exports/ESSPublication

Are you under the impression you need a trade deal to trade?

Does the EU have a trade deal with China or the US?

There is nothing to stop Scotland trading with UK after independence.

 

 

There is no such animal as an independent trade deal for EU members. Scotland would waive any right to having its own trade agreements the minute it joins the EU. This is the situation for the whole of the UK regarding foreign trade at the present time. 

 

Here's the CBI's take on the matter, it is pro-EU, but demonstrates the point that I am making: http://www.cbi.org.uk/business-issues/uk-and-the-european-union/eu-business-facts/10-facts-about-eu-trade-deals-pdf/

Edited March 14, 2017 by Scorrie

[Wheelsup]

Looks like Ms Stugeron is doing a U-turn on joining the EU, at least until after independence, Turns out half a million SNP supporters will not vote for independence if it means re-joining the EU.