mogling Posted August 24, 2017 Report Share Posted August 24, 2017 Maybe it's a "back door" way of introducing fortnightly rubbish collections.... Once the proposed scheme is introduced, how long before it is decided that plastics etc. only need to be collected once a month? I've been saying that for a while, that we can expect fortnightly rubbish collections-did someone say that Orkney and Shetland were the only 2 local authoritiesin the UK that still did weekly collections? We'll need outdoor wheelie bins to keep out the smellof 2 week old catfood sachets, unwashed tin cans etc ...maybe the SIC has done a deal with OIC to buy up its'wheelie bin mountain'! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghostrider Posted August 24, 2017 Report Share Posted August 24, 2017 The motivation behind this really boils down to being a paper exercise to tick boxes based on where lines are currently drawn in the sand, and not on practicalities or realities at all. Reusing combustible materials as fuel, isn't concidered "true" recycling apparently, even though it saves having to create the carbon footprint of transporting and burning diesel to do the same job if you weren't burning the rubbish. So it shows up as a big black mark on their graph when it happens. Instead, we're going to have to source alternate materials that can burn in the incinerator that was intended to take the rubbish, with whatever carbon foorprint that exercise generates, or close down the SHEAP outfit and revert back to all electic again and generate the diesel carbon footprint, whichever is the lesser. On top of that we're going to generate a further carbon footprint creating and distributing this £600k's worth of "recepticales" to make the new system work, and a further carbon footprint creating this £750k shed to sort, bale and store it all in, plus whatever machinery etc is required to do this, plus a further carbon footprint to transport it to wherever specialist facilities exist to process it, just so it can be turned in to something that's not furnance fuel, but is "true" recycling, and they get to tick a box someplace, never mind that the additional carbon footprint generated to do so very probably creates a significant nett loss of "greeness" overall compared to doing exactly what's being done already. Someone should buy the twats who think this crap up a dictionary, recycling by definition is the reuse of material for another purpose once its current purpose is no longer required. Whats being proposed here is not recycling, its selective reprocessing, for no good reason at all as it makes the big picture worse, not better, but never let it be said that something as simple are reality should stand in the way of beaurcracy making thier stats and graphs look prettier. thebfg 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lerwick antiques Posted August 24, 2017 Report Share Posted August 24, 2017 (edited) All should get our fire places opened up again as most general rubbish can be burned in the fire. Anything that will be in the bin will be glass and tins/cans. Also get a warm house out of it to, now that's a way to benefit yourself and to reduce heating costs. Edited August 24, 2017 by Lerwick antiques Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghostrider Posted August 25, 2017 Report Share Posted August 25, 2017 ^ Always did, until I got stuck in a council box that was all electric and had never had a lum. It certainly kept the heating bills down burning any old sh*t you could get your hands on in the Rayburn. Although, the way things are going with emissions regs, its probably just a matter of time before there's some nosey beggar from the Council employed to go round sniffing everybody's reek to make sure they're not burning an "unauthorised" fuel in their fires...... This final line in that news story, what's this about.... ".....new legislation comes into force banning biodegradable waste from going to landfill by 2021". What am I not getting here? Biodegradable by definition returns to soil, so whats the problem with that. Banning non-biodegradable from landfill I could understand, bottles and some plastic would stay there almost forever virtually unchanged, but anything that becomes soil relatively quickly virtually vanishes harmlessly in to whats pretty much everywhere already anyway. what harm can burying tawtie peelins, taebags, an bits of mouldy bread do? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lerwick antiques Posted August 25, 2017 Report Share Posted August 25, 2017 If you have a garden then get one of those compost bins, which are fairly cheap for a standard one. That's where all your tea bags, bread crusts, old fruit etc go. If you have a open fire place then burn all the other rubbish. If you don't have a open fire then you can buy garden incinerators £20 from Frank Williamsons. Then that only leaves glass and metal cans/tins. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
suuusssiiieee Posted August 28, 2017 Report Share Posted August 28, 2017 All this proposed recycled "matter" makes me wonder in the long term will there be enough refuse to keep the incinerator ticking over? As someone who lives in a block of flats with 5 other neighbors and one very overworked wheelie bin covering all six flats, i'm wondering how on earth a fortnightly uplift is going to be practicable for us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Ghostrider Posted August 28, 2017 Popular Post Report Share Posted August 28, 2017 (edited) All this proposed recycled "matter" makes me wonder in the long term will there be enough refuse to keep the incinerator ticking over? Well, although I am far from proficient in translating public service gibberish, I think this is the "council speak" way of answering "No" to your question. .....the energy recovery plant to Shetland Heat Energy and Power (SHEAP). A move towards greater recycling would force the plant to alter its business model to “find and use waste streams that maintain sufficient calorific content” Read that as you will, but I read it as: "We're stealing a sizeable percentage of your current fuel, so you're just going to have to get out there as source some other burnable "waste". Fine and well, but if I recall the current incinerator took (takes?) waste from offshore and Orkney to keep it running at optimum capacity. Sooooo, where's this other 'waste' supposed to come from seeing as it'll need a 200 mile shipping journey.....which increases its cost. So maybe burning diesel would be cheaper......Or will SHEAP have to be subsidised to exist rather than turning a profit....Or will District Heating customers have to pay over the odds for their heating....Or will SHEAP just be quietly left to fade away as "no longer economically viable"..... The "greeness" of shipping plastic and paper south, only to ship non-recycable combustibles back, or put everyone back on to diesel generated electric, is quite iffy at best. All they're doing with this is jumping through Scots Govt hoops that one size most definitely must fit all, so that boxes can be ticked, common sense, logic and intelligence have all been disallowed from participating. Edited August 28, 2017 by Ghostrider RileyBKing, suuusssiiieee and thebfg 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Urabug Posted August 28, 2017 Report Share Posted August 28, 2017 The only thing that I can see "green" about this pending project is the colour of folks faces when they have to smell and scrape up the decomposing turd of the roads and pavements ect when the inevitable spillage occurs. I have had to stop several times and rescue run away bins in gale force winds, guess this might become more regular soon. thebfg 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Windwalker Posted August 29, 2017 Report Share Posted August 29, 2017 According to the report it says we will be provided with two wheelie bins. Now if one of them will be needed for general rubbish every two weeks, that leaves one for paper and cardboard or cans and plastic. Now as these item will only be collected once a month, where are we supposed to keep these item as we can't put both lots in one wheelie bin. Surely they will have to provide three bins. What I can never understand with our council and these high paid officers, is they never seem to think through the complete process. They jump in with a half cocked idea, then try to baffle us with council gobbledygook speak, having spent hours flicking through a theasaurus to find words that they think might make them look clever. Will they have the sense to provide brackets with the wheelie bins one for your back door and one for the collection area, this would reduce the risk of them blowing away. It might add a little to the initial cost, but might save having bins blowing over, into cars etc and rubbish blowing all over the place. As for paying a consultancy company £63k to provide a calander of when we put out our bins, this just beggars belief. We have one of the highest staffed councils and yet they can't put a calendar together and a few adverts in the Times. They say they don't have all the answers and there are lot of unanswered questions, but to heck with that, let's just crash ahead. I would have thought that they should have most of these answers prior to delivering the report to the councillors. Why do our councillors approve half finished work ? Ahh ! Of course, it means that once they can't find an answer to the issue of the old couple having to drag a wheelie bin down a long gravel drive or say they don't have cash for brackets, they can say tough the policy has been approved by the council. Get a back bone and get onto the "one size fits all" Scottish Goverment and tell them this can only go ahead if they fund brackets and additional costs to make it work. I think the so called " Island proofing" has been put in the wheelie bin just to be blown over and lost in the wind. Don't get me wrong, I'm all for recycling and the separation of our rubbish, and I think the propossed system is workable, but for heaven sake come up with some answers to the issues before approving a half solved solution. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frances144 Posted August 29, 2017 Report Share Posted August 29, 2017 It will be interesting to see just how far a wheelie bin can travel in the equinox gales. waarigeo and Suffererof1crankymofo 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrashBox Posted August 29, 2017 Report Share Posted August 29, 2017 Looks like I'll have to find space in my garage for these bins, even though there are already two cars sat in it. That's the only way I can ensure the bins don't end up in Norway. What's wrong with a black bag and the bin store? And before anyone asks, the bin store is not designed to accommodate a wheelie bin, let alone two. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frances144 Posted August 29, 2017 Report Share Posted August 29, 2017 We could have a sweepstake for the first wheelie bin to reach Norway! waarigeo and George. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
George. Posted August 29, 2017 Report Share Posted August 29, 2017 We could have a sweepstake for the first wheelie bin to reach Norway! We could also take bets on whether the wheelie bins would land in Norway or the Faroes. We'd get decent odds on it. fionajohn 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fionajohn Posted August 29, 2017 Report Share Posted August 29, 2017 i live at the end of a rough croft track ...will the wheelie bin lorry come down the track to collect ....i am 76 years young and no way could i push the bins to collection at main road ...if i leave them at the main road the fishes will get the contents at the first strong wind unless the council builds a pound to hold them Suffererof1crankymofo 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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