Inter Island Ferry Service

[George.]

 

 

 

 

 

No i didn't think you could. No matter what tactics are used if the UK gov says that is what you are getting there is very little the Scottish government can do.

The "Nats" obviously do acknowledge the Tories as they have formed the Scottisg government which obviously deals all the time with the UK gov.

 

The Scots Govt. is there to represent the Scottish people's best interests, allegedly.

 

To try, and to be seen to try, even if you fail, is honourable and forgivable. To be seen to sit back and only accept the pittance offered, and then moan about the giver and how little it is, is contemptable, and unforgivable. We've seen nobody trying, so whether its possible or not cannot be said. Bluntly, they're riding the gravy train and failing to do the job they're hired to do.

 

 

 

Again we only have your assertion that this is the case.

 

Edited as realised I was coming a bit bolshie there which is not my intention.

Just I think if you make a statement it has to be based on facts.

If your opinion that is fine but opinions are there to be challenged.

I hope I am coming over in the spirit of a debater rather than just being argumentative.

 

 

There has nothing been reported in any media anywhere that I'm aware of, making claims that either the Scottish Government or Scottish MPs in Westminster have done anything other than sit back and wait to accept whatever pittance Westminster put their way. In the absence of any evidence suggesting otherwise, what other reasonable conclusion could anyone be expected to come to other than they've done nothing?

 

Whatever the media choose to tell us is all we have to go by, and if either the Scottish Government or Scottish MPs in Westminster have been labouring away doing their best to secure a better settlement that we don't know about, then its their PR department that has failed and needs replacing. We can only judge on what we know, nothing else.

 

On the other hand however there has been numerous reports of the Scottish Government blaming this, that and the other on the 'vile Tories' in Westminster and their 'austerity', to the point its arguably become an over-worked, over-used scape goat for things that can't be justified to be blamed on it.

 

There's also the fact that SNP MP's could have been in a position in Westminster to gain a few favours to Scotland's advatage out of the Government, had they not chosen to dismiss the idea out of hand on principle. The Tories needed a coalition partner last June to have a stable base upon which to govern, the SNP with 35 seats and the third largest party in Westminster would have been a far more attractive coalition partner than either the LibDems with 12 seats, or their eventual coalition partner, the DUP with 10. The SNP however chose to pass over that opportunity to influence the government, chosing party politics over the greater good for Scotland.

 

That is your opinion. 

My opinion is that the Scottish government does not have much to push back on against Westminster.

 

 

If you're right, and you may very well be. Then that just comes back to my original point, that they're not up to the job they've been hired to do.

 

If they don't have the leverage to play with the big boys and girls, then they need to either get some ASAP, or quit so someone else can try.

 

Politics is all about using whatever you have to get what you want, and like everything else in life, if you have nothing to use, and aren't getting what you want, you're a dead duck.

 

 

Nobody outside the English border has ever been allowed to look after themselves from the very moment that James VI gave everything away for his own benefit, and went south to live. Because of that, Westminster has kept hold of all the power while telling us all lies about it.

 

IMHO, all parts of the U.K should go Indy. That includes Wales, Northern Ireland, the Isle of Man and everybody else including Shetland which was, in effect, stolen by James III in about 1469. That's royalty for you.

[mikeyboy]

 

 

 

 

 

No i didn't think you could. No matter what tactics are used if the UK gov says that is what you are getting there is very little the Scottish government can do.

The "Nats" obviously do acknowledge the Tories as they have formed the Scottisg government which obviously deals all the time with the UK gov.

 

The Scots Govt. is there to represent the Scottish people's best interests, allegedly.

 

To try, and to be seen to try, even if you fail, is honourable and forgivable. To be seen to sit back and only accept the pittance offered, and then moan about the giver and how little it is, is contemptable, and unforgivable. We've seen nobody trying, so whether its possible or not cannot be said. Bluntly, they're riding the gravy train and failing to do the job they're hired to do.

 

 

 

Again we only have your assertion that this is the case.

 

Edited as realised I was coming a bit bolshie there which is not my intention.

Just I think if you make a statement it has to be based on facts.

If your opinion that is fine but opinions are there to be challenged.

I hope I am coming over in the spirit of a debater rather than just being argumentative.

 

 

There has nothing been reported in any media anywhere that I'm aware of, making claims that either the Scottish Government or Scottish MPs in Westminster have done anything other than sit back and wait to accept whatever pittance Westminster put their way. In the absence of any evidence suggesting otherwise, what other reasonable conclusion could anyone be expected to come to other than they've done nothing?

 

Whatever the media choose to tell us is all we have to go by, and if either the Scottish Government or Scottish MPs in Westminster have been labouring away doing their best to secure a better settlement that we don't know about, then its their PR department that has failed and needs replacing. We can only judge on what we know, nothing else.

 

On the other hand however there has been numerous reports of the Scottish Government blaming this, that and the other on the 'vile Tories' in Westminster and their 'austerity', to the point its arguably become an over-worked, over-used scape goat for things that can't be justified to be blamed on it.

 

There's also the fact that SNP MP's could have been in a position in Westminster to gain a few favours to Scotland's advatage out of the Government, had they not chosen to dismiss the idea out of hand on principle. The Tories needed a coalition partner last June to have a stable base upon which to govern, the SNP with 35 seats and the third largest party in Westminster would have been a far more attractive coalition partner than either the LibDems with 12 seats, or their eventual coalition partner, the DUP with 10. The SNP however chose to pass over that opportunity to influence the government, chosing party politics over the greater good for Scotland.

 

That is your opinion. 

My opinion is that the Scottish government does not have much to push back on against Westminster.

 

 

If you're right, and you may very well be. Then that just comes back to my original point, that they're not up to the job they've been hired to do.

 

If they don't have the leverage to play with the big boys and girls, then they need to either get some ASAP, or quit so someone else can try.

 

Politics is all about using whatever you have to get what you want, and like everything else in life, if you have nothing to use, and aren't getting what you want, you're a dead duck.

 

 

You are just going round in circles with the same old mantra.

Can you explain what the Scottish Government ( of any party ) can do to push back against the UK government Block grant?

Remember this is high level negotiations government to government not the womens institute so don't go on about letter campaigns or any of that keek.

[BigMouth]

You make a good point John, teasing or not.

 

This would be a perfect time (with ferry failures and general aging of the boats) to depopulate Fetlar.  Huge savings are possible in the long term.  It just needs brave and realistic sooth fok making the decisions.  Put the residents in Yell somewhere.  There's plenty of space for a Fetlar estate to go up.

[whalsa]

You make a good point John, teasing or not.

 

This would be a perfect time (with ferry failures and general aging of the boats) to depopulate Fetlar.  Huge savings are possible in the long term.  It just needs brave and realistic sooth fok making the decisions.  Put the residents in Yell somewhere.  There's plenty of space for a Fetlar estate to go up.

This has to be a joke?

[Scorrie]

You make a good point John, teasing or not.

 

This would be a perfect time (with ferry failures and general aging of the boats) to depopulate Shetland.  Huge savings are possible in the long term.  It just needs brave and realistic sooth fok making the decisions.  Put the residents in Sutherland somewhere.  There's plenty of space for a Shetland town  to go up.

 

Just tinkered with your post a little, BigMouth......... 

[CrashBox]

Nah! Sutherland is still seen as far too remote. Stick 'em all in the central belt along with all the Highlands & Islands residents. Hell, if you really are wanting to save money then let's depopulate every part of the UK and put the entire population in a Greater Greater London. 

[BigMouth]

Now, now.  You're getting carried away!!  You'll be suggesting that we go and live in the royal family's spare properties next.

 

http://www.shetland.org/plan/areas/fetlar advises that the population of Fetlar is less than 100.  I don't know if that means 10 or 99.  Fetlar would be great if the agricultural possibilites were ramped up somewhat.  Shetland could definitely be self-sufficient in turnips with just a little more effort from Fetlar.  Turnips for all.

Edited February 9, 2018 by BigMouth

[Scorrie]

 Shetland could definitely be self-sufficient in turnips with just a little more effort from Fetlar.  Turnips for all.

 

FFS, BigMouth, there's more than enough neeps in Shetlund already. I've worked with most of them........ 

Edited February 9, 2018 by Scorrie

[Ghostrider]

Turnips for all.

 

Baldrick, where are you?

[Urabug]

Radio Shetland said today that the service on Yell Sound had been reduced to one ferry due to weather conditions -WHY ?

 

The Daggri and Dagalien are identical vessels so surely if one is able to operate so should the other .

[scooper]

Phone the ferry services and ask them !!!

[scooper]

01806244200 :thmbsup

Edited November 28, 2018 by scooper

[George.]

The Daggri and Dagalien are identical vessels so surely if one is able to operate so should the other .

They're not identical. One of them has, "Daggri", written on the side while the other vessel has.....

[Urabug]

Phone the ferry services and ask them !!!

That costs money ! 

[Wheelsup]

Better not to put all your eggs in one basket. Alaways keep a spare. Shame if they both blew away.