Recycle! Positive Comments Welcome

[borderhole24]

 

"Recycling scheme off to 'strong start' up north"

 

Who Ray! This is truly positive news. Thanks to all.

 

Didn't you have a parental/guardian who taught you not to believe everything you read, especially when the statement is subjective, not objective.

 

Propagandaists move in mysterious ways, only question here is whether you've been taken in by one, or are one.

 

 

Proof that it hasn't got off to a good start?

[George.]

Proof that it hasn't got off to a good start?

 

Proof that you're happy to have the majority of your rubbish picked up once a fortnight? That's a real good start.

Edited March 9, 2018 by George.

[borderhole24]

 

Proof that it hasn't got off to a good start?

 

Proof that you're happy to have the majority of your rubbish picked up once a fortnight? That's a real good start.

 

 

If you think the 'majority' of your rubbish will be collected once a fortnight you clearly haven't read anything about the recycling.  The 'general waste' will be collected once a fortnight, falling in line with the rest of the UK.  Shetland was the last place to deviate from weekly collections, some council areas have three weekly general refuse collections.  It's always people of a certain generation who are allergic to change and progress.  It won't stop it happening though.

[George.]

The 'general waste' will be collected once a fortnight, falling in line with the rest of the UK. 

 

The "general waste" is the vast majority of rubbish that we throw out. The rest is peanuts.

[The Cutty Sark]

Sadly it's people of the current generation who have little or no concept on the challenge of lowing the need to recycle.

 

1 - To recover from taking a single flight from Europe to America would require recycling around one hundred thousand plastic bottles to recover the carbon footprint of the flight. If you decide not to take that holiday abroad, you will do more good.

 

2 - The heating of the water you use to clear plastic bottles before recycling actually increases your carbon footprint, the balance is usually an equal or negative footprint.

 

3 - To save more wildlife, then support and agree to a maximum speed limit on the roads of 40mph. It will save around  3 billion insects a month and assure the food resource of the ever decreasing song bird population, ensure pollination improves, and will have a positive effect through the entire food chain.

 

4 - Focus on the recycling of cardboards and metals. Plastic is a poison, to recycle and reproduced is madness. Stop drinking water out of plastic bottles, use a tap and a cup.

 

5 - Agree to a carbon tax.

 

6 - CONSUME LESS. This is a real new generation thing, the latest phone, the latest trainers, the latest car. People consume and feel that chucking a piece of poisonous plastic in a bin pays for it. It doesn't.

 

Serious about saving humanity? Stop flying, lower the speed in your car, stop supporting businesses who sell plastics, focus on paper based recycling, agree to contribute to the cost of the worlds clean up, and consume less. 

 

 

 

 

Proof that it hasn't got off to a good start?

 

Proof that you're happy to have the majority of your rubbish picked up once a fortnight? That's a real good start.

 

 

If you think the 'majority' of your rubbish will be collected once a fortnight you clearly haven't read anything about the recycling.  The 'general waste' will be collected once a fortnight, falling in line with the rest of the UK.  Shetland was the last place to deviate from weekly collections, some council areas have three weekly general refuse collections.  It's always people of a certain generation who are allergic to change and progress.  It won't stop it happening though.

 

Edited March 9, 2018 by The Cutty Sark

[George.]

Sadly it's people of the current generation who have little or no concept on the challenge of lowing the need to recycle.

 

Very true, but it's not solely the present generation that are at fault. Three or four, five or six generations before that they invented pollution, and no doubt the generation that we are in will leave a horrendous amount of pollution behind for the next few generations to use, solely for one reason. They will do it to continue polluting the planet, and in that they are killing it. Because of that, mankind is at risk, mainly from himself.

[The Cutty Sark]

I agree, though I should add, "current generation", and should be seen as anyone aged over 16 with the ability to make an educated choice for the future. Government initiated recycling for individuals is merely a smoke screen for avoiding tackling the source of the problem; consumerism, industrial waste and multinationals who just find plastics cheaper and more profitable. 

 

Anyway, good luck to the initiative. But I do hate the term "Save the Planet". We may pollute it for ourselves, and destroy our own existence from it, but once were gone, the planet would just clean itself, regenerate over a few million years, and new life would spring up. On that day, and if the planet could talk, it would probably say, "I remember yon dinosaurs, they were here for ages, but those talking apes came and went pretty quickly, what the f*** were they all about? "    ..... 

 

 

 

 

 

Sadly it's people of the current generation who have little or no concept on the challenge of lowing the need to recycle.

 

Very true, but it's not solely the present generation that are at fault. Three or four, five or six generations before that they invented pollution, and no doubt the generation that we are in will leave a horrendous amount of pollution behind for the next few generations to use, solely for one reason. They will do it to continue polluting the planet, and in that they are killing it. Because of that, mankind is at risk, mainly from himself.

 

Edited March 9, 2018 by The Cutty Sark

[George.]

Quite right.

 

There is one thing that I disagree with, though:

 

But I do hate the term "Save the Planet". We may pollute it for ourselves, and destroy our own existence from it, but once were gone, the planet would just clean itself, regenerate over a few million years, and new life would spring up.

 

I'm led to believe that our planet has about 7.5 billion years to go before it is burnt to death by our sun, when the sun becomes a red dwarf. Until that happens there will be an inhabitable area of the planet for man to live in. Unfortunately, in not too many years time man will have destroyed himself with pollution, harmful technology and also a massive population that our planet finds too difficult to look after. That inhabitable area may not be as comfortable as it should be for mankind, and it may well not be what we see as inhabitable today.

 

We can only wish mankind in the future the very best, and keep our fingers crossed.

Edited March 9, 2018 by George.

[The Cutty Sark]

Maybe I wasn't being clear. my statement agrees with you. I'm saying mankind will make the planet uninhabitable for "human" existence well before, (as you note), the sun expands towards and past our orbit. But that doesn't mean other forms of existence won't survive and evolve before that happens and we're long gone. Our good friends the Dinos lived quite happily for 165 million years without the presence of bipedal apes. Anyway, life is a glorious thing, and will just keep growing and changing while the opportunity is there I guess. On a final though, I'm pretty sure it's cockroaches that will be rulers of the planet in the end anyway, an experiment showed that some could live through a radon unit exposure of 10,000! Around 2,000 rads will kill a human in around 10 minutes    All hail the Roach Master 

 

Quite right.

 

There is one thing that I disagree with, though:

 

But I do hate the term "Save the Planet". We may pollute it for ourselves, and destroy our own existence from it, but once were gone, the planet would just clean itself, regenerate over a few million years, and new life would spring up.

 

I'm led to believe that our planet has about 7.5 billion years to go before it is burnt to death by our sun, when the sun becomes a red dwarf. Until that happens there will be an inhabitable area of the planet for man to live in. Unfortunately, in not too many years time man will have destroyed himself with pollution, harmful technology and also a massive population that our planet finds too difficult to look after. That inhabitable area may not be as comfortable as it should be for mankind, and it may well not be what we see as inhabitable today.

 

We can only wish mankind in the future the very best, and keep our fingers crossed.

[Ghostrider]

 

 

"Recycling scheme off to 'strong start' up north"

 

Who Ray! This is truly positive news. Thanks to all.

 

Didn't you have a parental/guardian who taught you not to believe everything you read, especially when the statement is subjective, not objective.

 

Propagandaists move in mysterious ways, only question here is whether you've been taken in by one, or are one.

 

 

Proof that it hasn't got off to a good start?

 

 

Proof of anything? Thats kinda my point, there isn't any, good, bad or indifferent.

 

According to the 'news' report singing its praises, the first collection under the new arrangements took place on Wednesday, but omits to say whether that was a now fortnightly general rubbish collection, or one of the monthly paper/card or plastics collections. How can one single collection of only one of the types of rubbish prove anything, at the very least you need to complete a three week cycle of all three types to have the whole picture to begin to assess trends.

 

Its a piece of classic positive reinforcement PR, a repeating of what you want folk to believe so that at least some start to believe it is fact, despite the fact no evidence is provided to back it up.

 

Of the two named individuals quoted as being 'in support',of the SIC's current version of 'recycling', one is laclustre at best, and the other's soundbite is ambigious and hyperboleish. The rest is just flowery waffle from Thomson randomly littered with impossible claims, who, on account of his Chair of a relevant Council committee has no choice but either talk it up, or shutup, if he wants to keep his job. His contribution couldn't be less unbiased and impartial if you tried.

 

How well folk have been persuaded, or not, to fill each colour coded bin they've been given, exactly as they've been told to, which is all the article concentrates on, is wholly irreleavant to the real problem anyway. That the current Council 'recycling' plan will likely consume more non-renewable resources and emit more pollution in to the environment than the one they've been using for the last 18 years.

Edited March 10, 2018 by Ghostrider

[ETLerwick]

Ignoring the pontifical rat-holes that have developed in this thread, I remain hopeful that we can change behaviours in Shetland and begin to 'save the planet' in our very own, little, wee, tiny way. 

Yes, avoid buying plastic in any way you can. That, too, is a good first-step that only an individual can  take.

 

Please don't resist Shetland/ Scotland's efforts to recycle based on what you read/ post here.

 

Yes, Who Ray! for all who participate.

[The Cutty Sark]

I'm not sure anyone has been particularly pompous or arrogant. You started a good thread which made for some good discussions with a good number of people, you should be pleased about that. Maybe you could close it off with some more context and embellishment to why people should see this as a positive step, and maybe add what initiatives the government/council will also do to ensure what they are doing is worth while.

 

Anyway, give all my love to Ray    (just kiddin')

 

 

Ignoring the pontifical rat-holes that have developed in this thread, I remain hopeful that we can change behaviours in Shetland and begin to 'save the planet' in our very own, little, wee, tiny way. 

[George.]

Ignoring the pontifical rat-holes that have developed in this thread, I remain hopeful that we can change behaviours in Shetland and begin to 'save the planet' in our very own, little, wee, tiny way.

 

If I were you, I would buy a dictionary and look up the definition regarding the word, "Forum", it will teach you a lot.

 

Hooray, and all the rubbish that you are promoting that the S. I. C. will inflict upon the common man that costs us more and more. If you disagree, please provide proof. Then, please give us all some idea what the word "Forum" really means. Remember, this is a forum, it tells you that at the top of the page.

Edited March 10, 2018 by George.

[mikeyboy]

Yes George but it is normal Chat forum etiquette to keep on the subject that the OP set. There was already a thread where people had discussed their objections to the idea of recycling. if this forum was properly moderated a lot of posts would be moved to that one.

[Suffererof1crankymofo]

@mikeyboy - it's also normal chat etiquette not to try and moderate your own thread and tell folk how to answer!