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[Nigel Bridgman-Elliot]

> How do they deliver these bins? I live at the end of a long private dirt track. it will be interesting.
 

Maybe it will be like Tesco and you can book a delivery time to suit you.

 

Or perhaps they deliver them full of water, so they don't blow away before you get home and can stick them in the garage.

 

Would be handy if we got a letter saying they will be delivered on X date, so we can make sure someone will be around to corral them up.

 

A question springs to mind, who owns the bins once delivered, are they ours, can we bolt things onto them N'll that jazz ?
 

[George.]

 

 

A national and a local government worked well enough pre '73, and the sooner we get back to that the better.

 

Have you forgotten what Ted Heath did to us in 1972  He did it pre '73. one year pre 

 

 

The preparations and plans were laid much sooner, certainly, and that's not to the credit of anyone involved, but it was 1st Jan '73 when the fuse was lit and our souls were sold with the signing off on the deal.

 

I'm getting pretty close to the stage now of no longer caring about who gets unloaded, EU, Westminster, Holyrood or the SIC, we just need two from the four gone as a matter of urgency.

 

Four tiers cost a bankrupting fortune to just maintain, and by the time they all stick their oar in to everything, a bigger dog's dinner couldn't be created if they set out specificaly to make one.

 

Their are two tiers that are reletive to Shetland. Firstly, Shetland going it alone. Secondly, Shetland remaining as a part of Scotland when Scotland goes it alone. They are the only things relevant to Shetland, plus of course, what James III of Scotland did to take over Shetland in 1469.

[mikeyboy]

this is going to cost the council money like every hair brained scheme they come with ....i live at the end of a croft road ...i am an O A P with walking problems ..my wife is disabled ...are the council trucks going to come down my road for collection ...if not they will have to pay a home help to put bins to main road ....

 

Have you contacted the SIC and asked them?

[Frances144]

I think it will cost the SIC money in as much as the increased time spent getting said wheelie bin off its fixings, dragging each bin to the lorry, emptying, dragging back and then refixing.

 

This whole process will take much longer than the usual black bin bag method.  I would even moot perhaps 3 times longer at each household.

 

[Frances144]

> How do they deliver these bins? I live at the end of a long private dirt track. it will be interesting.

 

Maybe it will be like Tesco and you can book a delivery time to suit you.

 

Or perhaps they deliver them full of water, so they don't blow away before you get home and can stick them in the garage.

 

Would be handy if we got a letter saying they will be delivered on X date, so we can make sure someone will be around to corral them up.

 

A question springs to mind, who owns the bins once delivered, are they ours, can we bolt things onto them N'll that jazz ?

 

I too live at the end of a long track (albeit into the scattald).

 

In answer to your question, they put them over my fence by my gate, lying on their sides.  I found them there.

[borderhole24]

I think it will cost the SIC money in as much as the increased time spent getting said wheelie bin off its fixings, dragging each bin to the lorry, emptying, dragging back and then refixing.

 

This whole process will take much longer than the usual black bin bag method.  I would even moot perhaps 3 times longer at each household.

 

I think people sometimes forget there are over 5,100 wheelie bins in circulation already in Shetland, the essy kert men and women are well used to working with them.  Funny that despite over 5k bins already being used in Shetland, suddenly only NOW is the wind thought to be an issue.

[George.]

I think it will cost the SIC money in as much as the increased time spent getting said wheelie bin off its fixings, dragging each bin to the lorry, emptying, dragging back and then refixing.

I don't think that it will cost the S. I. C. a single penny. It will cost you, me and everybody else, though, and we'll see that proven in the council tax, and as they go about collecting the council tax that pays it all they will claim loudly to be doing a very important job while we pay their wages, again through council tax, income tax and all the rest of taxes that Westminster has invented.

Edited June 23, 2018 by George.

[Suffererof1crankymofo]

@borderline - re 5,100 wheelie bins in circulation already.  So you know for a fact that nobody out of those having one of the 5,100 wheelie bins has a problem with them?  Do you know for a fact that everything is rosy and nobody has complained?  Do you know for a fact that everyone is using them, and that nobody has refused delivery of them and has made alternative arrangements?  The weather has been far worse in some years preceding the introduction of the wheelie bins.

 

I think it's a grey area of the law regarding the delivery of them; just dumping something on somebody else's property doesn't constitute ownership.  If people don't want them, then that means they have to make alternative arrangements regarding rubbish disposal so for those people, for all you know they could be charging the SIC for storage of the SIC's property.  Just saying you're going to be delivering bins over X No. of weeks doesn't mean folk have automatically accepted delivery of them in my book; that's something a Court would, no doubt, have to decide.

And likewise a Court could decide if the SIC have been untruthful within their leaflet, given that there is island-proofing and also legislation permits for exemptions regarding the incinerator, yet the SIC as far as I'm aware chose not to apply for the exemption because Waste Scotland said they wouldn't get the exemption.  It's not down to Waste Scotland to decide.  Perhaps too, given that it's illegal to make inaccurate claims regarding recycling, a Court could decide whether or not the SIC should have included the carbon footprint of the actual recycling plant Shetland's recycling is going to be shipped to (when they appoint one) and also the cost to the environment of folk now having to wash rubbish.

You want to believe everything you read in the press, fine; personally speaking, I don't believe all the spin.

Edited June 23, 2018 by Suffererof1crankymofo

[Frances144]

I always thought wind would be an issue.  Whether anyone chose to listen to me was a different matter!

[Suffererof1crankymofo]

 

I always thought wind would be an issue.  Whether anyone chose to listen to me was a different matter!

It's going to be interesting to see just what happens when folk are expected to put their paper and say cardboard rubbish out in winter during a gale; I have visions of a quantity of it blowing away as they open the wheelie bin lid, given that you're not permitted to put any recycling rubbish into bags but instead, straight into the wheelie bins.  Then there's the tiny matter of unclipping your wheelie bin and putting it 'out' (wherever 'out' might happen to be!) prior to 7.30am even if it isn't going to be collected until say noon or later that day.  'out' might well be at a location where it cannot be secured.  So you end up with an insecure wheelie bin that might or might not blow over, it's lid might or might not blow open and before you know it, you've got paper and cardboard blowing all over the place.  What are we meant to do, not go to work in order to keep a permanent eye (if your bungee cord hasn't blinded you, that is) on said wheelie bin between 7.30am and the collection time?

[Spinner72]

I have seen what happened, and still does, several years ago when this was introduced in Stornoway. The bins end up blown into a corner and the rubbish goes everywhere, all mixed up.

 

They bag it before it goes in the bins now, but still have to collect the bins from wherever they end up after they have been emptied.

[Rasmie]

I bought a wheelie bin, but as I can find no where to tie it down as the public road some 200 yards away that it kept blowing over before the essykert arrived. So I have resorted to a black bag and the old net. The roadway is not my property so I cannot find anywhere to erect a scaffold to tie my bin to. The Banks broo beckons.

[Frances144]

Ditto ^^^ - not my land to it down on as I live at the end of a track that goes through the scattald.  The public road is about 1/4 mile at the end of the track.  I would have to tie my bins onto scattald fencing which will make me popular

[fionajohn]

 

 

I always thought wind would be an issue.  Whether anyone chose to listen to me was a different matter!

It's going to be interesting to see just what happens when folk are expected to put their paper and say cardboard rubbish out in winter during a gale; I have visions of a quantity of it blowing away as they open the wheelie bin lid, given that you're not permitted to put any recycling rubbish into bags but instead, straight into the wheelie bins.  Then there's the tiny matter of unclipping your wheelie bin and putting it 'out' (wherever 'out' might happen to be!) prior to 7.30am even if it isn't going to be collected until say noon or later that day.  'out' might well be at a location where it cannot be secured.  So you end up with an insecure wheelie bin that might or might not blow over, it's lid might or might not blow open and before you know it, you've got paper and cardboard blowing all over the place.  What are we meant to do, not go to work in order to keep a permanent eye (if your bungee cord hasn't blinded you, that is) on said wheelie bin between 7.30am and the collection time?

i tried out the wheelie bin lid cord and almost got blinded when it snapped back and hit my head ...can see a compensation case in the near future 

[Nigel Bridgman-Elliot]

> given that you're not permitted to put any recycling rubbish into bags but instead, straight into the wheelie bins.

Is that correct ?

 

I thought it was optional..

 

Is it going to be like London where they come and inspect your bins at 5am to see if they suspect you have the wrong kind of rubbish in them..

 

 

Maybe we need someone like this:

https://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/greater-manchester-news/entrepreneurs-answer-residents-stuck-bin-11189048

> the businessman, 25, is offering weekly bin collections across Rochdale after the
> council reduced its own service to just once every three weeks in a bid to boost recycling.