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Today I are mostly would be seeing our Council-provided wheelie bins avec their two bungee straps flying through the air with greatest of ease pass my windows on their way to Norway!


If you want to keep an eye on your bin, perhaps keep it from blowing away, you could take it everywhere you go, even to the beach  :razz:




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Haven't the S. I. C given a good list of where black bags are available. They have stated that you can buy them at:


  • Aywick Shop, Yell
  • Bigton Community Shop
  • Bolts Minimarket, Lerwick
  • Brae Garage
  • Final Checkout, Unst
  • H Henderson, Unst
  • JWJ, Whalsay
  • Linkshouse Stores, Yell
  • Mail Shop, Bressay
  • Sandwick Baking Company, Sandwick
  • Skibhoul Stores, Unst

They've missed Tesco in Lerwick and the shop down the road from me, and various other shops as well. Aren't they good - for nothing. They do make a point of how much they charge when you buy from them, no doubt expecting you to put your hand in your pocket. Luckily, I live on the coast.

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re: "Where is the evidence" A place to start http://www.zerowastescotland.org.uk/research-evidence


Like I said in my first reply on this thread, they aren't impartial, they're political. A Holyrood invention doing Holyrood's bidding, cherry picking what suits their ends and ignoring what doesn't.

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Maybe that’s just shops supplied by SIC. They had already bought them before the stopped issuing them for free.


Free? Since when? Oh yes, that was a few years ago. The S. I. C. charges £16.00 for 200 bag and have done for some time now, that is listed online. None of the shops will ever give them away when they are having to charge for them as well. 

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Maybe contacting the SIC would be more fruitful than asking such specific questions here

I did!  See other thread.  Ghostie knows I did.  They just refer to Zero Waste's rhetoric and what's in the reports presented to the councillors.  They don't appear to like it when you point out holes in their arguments.  

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I have just been given a good suggestion regarding the bulky uplifts. Although this wasn't what the OP was discussing.

OK it is £30 or £10 for 6 items.

So if people in an area got together and pooled their requirements, say if two of you had 3 items each that would be  £15 or £5 each.

This forum would be the ideal place to organise this from.

So you reckon that your neighbours, assuming you're on speaking terms, will all be purchasing replacement furniture, white goods, etc., and disposing of their old ones at the same time, do you?  If you live in social housing, you can't necessarily whack it in your back garden because the SIC don't like it plus more often than not come a gale and you have a washing machine literally flying around your garden (seen it happen).

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Maybe contacting the SIC would be more fruitful than asking such specific questions here


I'm not very confident they have the answers either. There seems to be a definite "we're only following orders" attitude within the SIC on this one, especially as it didn't seem that the SIC's 'officiers' saw fit to include it in the 'Report' they put in front of Councillors on the issue, and its not even hinted at in the material the OP suggested consulting on the SIC's website, etc.


The only reason I brought it up here was, as I noted in my original post on the thread, in response to the OP's invitation.....



Please, let's use this thread to.......answer questions.....


I really have only one question, possibly two if you're being pedantic. 'Where is the verifiable evidence to support the assertion that the new refuse disposal model is less damaging to the environment, and uses less natural resources than the current model, and why should anyone support the new model without being furnished with such evidence?


Just ask yourself. Lets suppose you take one tonne of plastic from Shetland to be recycled, you save however much crude oil it takes to make one tonne of plastic, that is the simple bit.


However, to recycle that one tonne, you had to use crude oil to manufacture and transport/distribute the bins that collected it, you used some more to create the sorting shed it passed through, more still to power the machinery in that shed, more to load it on a truck and take it to the boat, the boat uses more to get it to the its next port, it then uses more still to get it transported by road, rail or whatever to the reprocessing plant. You're still not done though, because that plastic wasn't just being discarded and lost, it was previously used to provide heat in buildings, so either you burn fossil fuels capable of providing an identical thermal value to replace it, or you have to expend yet more oil to road/rail transport replacemnt waste to a ferry/boat, that boat uses yet more to get it here, and finally you use yet more to unload it from the boat and deliver it to the incinerator. And they're expecting us to just take their word for it that creating a tonne of plastic uses more oil than all of that in this paragraph - I'm having more than just a little difficulty buying it, and thats an understatement. especially in light of the fact that plastics are so cheap, and any fuel capable of providing heat is anything but cheap.


Likewise, you have a pile of paper sitting in their sorting shed, you ship it south to be turned back in to clean paper, that saves however many trees it takes to make that quantity of paper. You've lost its fuel value to the incinerator for the District Heating though, which needs to be replaced by an alternative fuel - and apparently its okay to use wood pellets as that alternative fuel.


There's no polite way of saying this, but wood is the raw material which is turned in to paper, paper is a product made from wood..... How in hell can it possibly be 'green' to incur the carbon footprint of shipping paper south, and the carbon footprint of shipping an equal weight of wood north, when they are both the same with the same thermal capacity, they've just been processed differently. Yet, its not green to just burn the bloody paper where it is anyway.

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Yes local councils have to do some sort of recycling as part of the EU rules so I am hearing some of you thinking "well what about Brexit?".  As far as I can tell the plan is to shift EU rules into UK law so the SIC will still have to have a recycling policy.  My local council (I have gone South) has a weekly recycling collection.......ordinary domestic waste is fortnightly.........and after a few teething troubles it seems to work well enough.  Yes it means people have to do a little work sorting out what can be recycled but it saves the council being penalised for low recycling rates and I guess saves the planet to some extent.


My only gripe with the SIC plan is that glass is not collected.  Long walk to the glass bank from where many people live,

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