Brexit (merged threads)

[Urabug]

If anyone is interested :-

 

https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/254329

[Ghostrider]

 

 

So you think it'll be easier to buy wine from Spain if we leave the EU?!

 

If we ever manage to leave the EU I'd hope nobody in the UK would want to buy their wine,

 

I don't tell you how to live your life: don't tell me how to live mine. I'd like to be able to enjoy my Spanish wine without your finger-wagging disapproval.

 

 

I'm not 'telling' anyone how to do anything - Note its says 'I would hope....'

 

Its simply expressing my personal utopian aspiration, but I'm realistic enough to be well aware that enough people out there have been suckered in to worshipping the 'we're all one big happy family' socialist rhetoric that it ain't never gonna happen.

 

It don't hurt to hope though.

[Ghostrider]

 

 

So you think it'll be easier to buy wine from Spain if we leave the EU?!

 

If we ever manage to leave the EU I'd hope nobody in the UK would want to buy their wine, or anything else from them, but if they did, I'd expect the EU to only be willing to sell us bottles of water masquerading as wine.

 

Let the EU leaders drown in their damn wine the way they've carried on. Old Junker (any relative of the JU 88 maker?) is well on his way to doing just that by all appearances. The rest can follow him as quickly as they can.

 

 

Your comments are just ridiculous!

 

 

How?

 

Just dropping derogatory comments without supporting evidence does nothing for anything.

[Wheelsup]

I’ve travelled a lot around Europe, including the EU. One thing that’s improved is that our standard of living has aligned, reducing the need to be envious or jealous of our neighbours. Reduced the need to raid them or invade them. I thought we had become one big happy family

[Evil Inky]

 

I don't tell you how to live your life: don't tell me how to live mine. I'd like to be able to enjoy my Spanish wine without your finger-wagging disapproval.

 

 

 

 

 

 

I'm not 'telling' anyone how to do anything - Note its says 'I would hope....'

 

Its simply expressing my personal utopian aspiration, but I'm realistic enough to be well aware that enough people out there have been suckered in to worshipping the 'we're all one big happy family' socialist rhetoric that it ain't never gonna happen.

 

It don't hurt to hope though.

 

I work for a private company - if I want to buy some Spanish wine from another private company, I can't see where socialism is involved.

[Ghostrider]

I’ve travelled a lot around Europe, including the EU. One thing that’s improved is that our standard of living has aligned, reducing the need to be envious or jealous of our neighbours. Reduced the need to raid them or invade them. I thought we had become one big happy family

 

Nah, I'm not ready to play nice yet with folks who continiously elect leaders whose politics are the polar opposite of my own.

[Ghostrider]

 

 

I don't tell you how to live your life: don't tell me how to live mine. I'd like to be able to enjoy my Spanish wine without your finger-wagging disapproval.

 

 

 

 

 

 

I'm not 'telling' anyone how to do anything - Note its says 'I would hope....'

 

Its simply expressing my personal utopian aspiration, but I'm realistic enough to be well aware that enough people out there have been suckered in to worshipping the 'we're all one big happy family' socialist rhetoric that it ain't never gonna happen.

 

It don't hurt to hope though.

 

I work for a private company - if I want to buy some Spanish wine from another private company, I can't see where socialism is involved.

 

 

Socialism, specifically European Socialism is entirely involved in every aspect of buying Spanish wine. The EU is essentially a socialist organisation, and the customs union/free trade is their baby, along with some taxation regs, everything you buy or sell, either internally within the EU of import/export involves European Socialism.

[Evil Inky]

 

 

 

 

Socialism, specifically European Socialism is entirely involved in every aspect of buying Spanish wine. The EU is essentially a socialist organisation, and the customs union/free trade is their baby, along with some taxation regs, everything you buy or sell, either internally within the EU of import/export involves European Socialism.

 

 

Erm... OK. How would my experience of purchasing Spanish wine be improved by the system you are proposing?

[Urabug]

 

 

 

if I want to buy a case of wine from Spain the biggest hurdle will be all the red tape.

 

 

The only red tape at present is Excise Duty on the alcohol. For still wine, the first 90 litres you import is tax and duty free.You can only bring in 60 litres of sparkling wine Excise duty free.

 

Well thanks for the info but I will not be ordering anytime soon.

 

Sorry you do not share my sense of humor---somehow cannot imagine me ordering several cases of wine ,beer ,lager ma'be no not wine.

[cicero]

Hello all / Do stop this bickering as we are all in this together.

[Ghostrider]

 

 

 

 

 

Socialism, specifically European Socialism is entirely involved in every aspect of buying Spanish wine. The EU is essentially a socialist organisation, and the customs union/free trade is their baby, along with some taxation regs, everything you buy or sell, either internally within the EU of import/export involves European Socialism.

 

 

Erm... OK. How would my experience of purchasing Spanish wine be improved by the system you are proposing?

 

 

It wouldn't. In fact you might like to consider Australian or Californian wine as an alternative to Spanish wine if you'd like to continue enjoying the odd glass.

 

The system you rely upon at the moment to purchase your Spanish wine was rejected as unwelcome, unsuitable and unwanted in the UK by 51.9% of those who choose to express on opinion the most recent occasion they were asked. So, unless the suppliers of Spanish wine choose to negotiate alternative arrangements to supply Spanish wine to UK customers (which would seem impossible as long as the Spanish wine suppliers comply with their EU masters in all the trading they do) Spanish wine will shortly no longer be able to be legally sold to UK customers.

 

We rejected the EU rules as ones we were prepared to live by, so unless the EU are willing to re-negotiate the rules for their relationship with us, we won't have a relationship with them and will have to trade with other global partners. That is democracy in action.

 

I really can't see what all the fuss might be about wine anyway, its all just half rotted grape juice after all isn't it, what difference does it make whether Pedro in Barcelona, Hank the Yank or Crocodile Dundee did the bottling. Now, if we'd been talking about important things like Ferraris or Ducatis.......possibly even Audis or Mercs, I could understand if their was some angst and sense of loss. These are unique products, not like some old sour fruit juice which can grow wherever.

[JGHR]

Erm... OK. How would my experience of purchasing Spanish wine be improved by the system you are proposing?

This is a very good question and one which gets right to the crux of the matter, but I'm afraid you needn't expect even a semi sensible answer to it.

 

I challenge anyone who is arguing in favour of Brexit to name one thing that will be improved, not may be, not might be not could be, one thing that will be improved after leaving. 

 

What will we hear in reply? One of two things - silence or a list of rambling prejudices that are not improvements at all.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Claadehol]

Well folks, I got Spanish wine in the late 60s, and holidayed in Spain too long before the EU. I don't remember any bother with my passport, it was

[Ghostrider]

 

Erm... OK. How would my experience of purchasing Spanish wine be improved by the system you are proposing?

This is a very good question and one which gets right to the crux of the matter, but I'm afraid you needn't expect even a semi sensible answer to it.

 

I challenge anyone who is arguing in favour of Brexit to name one thing that will be improved, not may be, not might be not could be, one thing that will be improved after leaving. 

 

What will we hear in reply? One of two things - silence or a list of rambling prejudices that are not improvements at all.

 

 

It eliminates one of the layers of the political cesspit and makes for one less player in the endless tail chasing 'blame game' they play of the council blaming Holyrood, Holyrood blaming Westminster and Westminster blaming Brussels where the buck never stops anywhere.

 

It saves the cost of maintaining that layer from our tax dollars also.

 

The 'model' the EU are attempting to work towards as an entity cannot function effectively and in any way efficiently without some sort of central federal control fiscal matters, trade, defence etc etc. U.S.A. Canada, the U.S.S.R. as was, Australia stylee, take your pick. I don't believe it can be made to work in the EU situation, I don't believe its necessary or desirable in the EU situation, and I don't like what its turning member nations in to while its being made to try and make it work. Its long past time to get out before it drags us down any further.

 

Remainers are accused of being insular and inward looking, personally I see the EU as the insular inward looking one by effectively creating artificial borders around their virtual EU 'nation', a European trading bloc was maybe fine and well in the world of 50 or more years ago but its yesterday's news now Its a global marketplace, a global economy, we're all one people, surely in this day and age we should be working towards global trading, which is surely what the WTO is an early steps towards and opening up global borders and not still building parochial little regional 'strongholds'.

 

We're a long way off having global government, and whether that is even possible or desirable is impossible to say, but surely wherever possible we should be thinking globally.

 

The EU promotes regional insularity by trying to be as self-sufficient fro within its own borders as possible, and only engaging with the rest of the world when it has no other option, its an old and increasingly outdated concept rooted in colonial empire building. Its tie to be looking forward on a global scale and not to be throwing all ones eggs in to a small basket in one corner.

[Urabug]

The EU employs some 55,000 staff to support the 28 member countries.

 

What do they do,?

 

That is the main complain that I believe most of us have with Brussels ,it is the size of it and multiplying, getting bigger and bigger..

 

Of course many of the advantages of being in the EU are good but lets control our bit  from within the UK .

 

What keeps changing, that 55,000 staff are required to implement it.

 

Certainly not in the grocery chain,just the same stuff in Tesco  every week.

 

Surely the "book of trading rules" will not change that often.

 

Wonder if they ever have "time and motion " to test there productivity 

 

Far as I can see we would manage fine without them and could  deal with one another quite happily with less bull**it