Brexit (merged threads)

[Davie P]

.....it is NONE of the EU's business at this stage if we decide to drop, for example, those EU Directives pertaining to the Environment.  If parliament decides to keep them, that's our business, and sweet FA to do with the EU.

 

The point I am making is that this EU legislation is already UK law. The UK had a hand in drafting and voting for the directives. Then the UK parliament debated, amended and then voted on the UK legislation. 

 

This is a key point. Thousands of individual legislative measures that the UK has in place were adopted as part of our EU partnership. It'll take many years for any new legislation to work its way through the civil service and parliament if/when we leave. Until such time we will be using our current EU era legislation - logistically we don't have any choice.

 

In the short to medium term, there will be very little difference to domestic policies - the civil service and parliament will have their hands full dealing with all the implications of key cross-border partnership agreements we need in place to keep trade and the economy functioning. If you think Brexit has so far been a cludge, wait till we get to the nitty-gritty of 40 years worth of EU legislation having to be examined, redrafted, debated and legislated. The scale and cost of the task is eye-watering and I expect we will be using our EU era laws for decades to come.

 

Our laws might have 'sweet FA' to do with the EU if/when we leave, but to put alternatives in place will take a lot of time and a lot of resources.

 

At this point, I wish I'd studied EU law as there will be many lawyers rubbing their hands together at the prospect of decades-long contracts to unpick and restitch everything.

[Suffererof1crankymofo]

@Davie P

 

Key points were made about this by both sides prior to the referendum and during the debates in parliament, and it was argued then when remainer MPs after the referendum result when they were arguing for the right to vote on any exit deal that it had already been discussed under the bill during said debates.  I think they also discussed one Act to revoke laws (basically to change the references to EU Directives) and didn't that get passed?  Any future changes would be passed through parliament in the normal way.

 

So it's nothing new.  It isn't anything which hasn't already been debated in parliament.  Indeed, David Davies said right at the beginning that his department was already going through the EU Directives that had been enshrined in statute, so they've already been working on it.

 

What is new is the PM and the Withdrawal Agreement referring to us always having EU Directives enshrined in our laws.

Solicitors have been making a fortune regarding EU law for years already because there's so many existing contradictions within current EU Directives.

[Muckle Oxters]

Can somebody briefly explain tae me whit happened in parliament daday?!

[Urabug]

Sorry put this in the wrong place 

 

https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/224908

[George.]

^If article 50 of Brexit is, in any way, delayed or stopped it shows just how democratic Britain actually is. Having said that, I have never lived in Britain. I have always lived at home

Edited January 10, 2019 by George.

[Evil Inky]

^You do realise that even if Article 50 is revoked, you'll still be able to vote for pro-Brexit MPs and MEPs, and if enough people also vote for them, they'll be able trigger Article 50 all over again?

[Urabug]

I find it difficult to comprehend why anyone would want to remain in the EU and under the governance of a non democratic European body located in Brussels when we already have more than enough "democratic" governance of our own,usually operated quite satisfactorily from Westminster and Holyrood.

 

Who pays for all those employed at the European Parliament ? 

 

I want to be able to trade freely throughout the entire world, that includes the whole of Europe ,and not be dictated to by a cabal located in a European Parliament instructing me as to what I can and cannot do.

 

I can only assume that those who desire to remain under the auspices of the EU no longer have any respect for our countries values.

 

The maneuvering and posturing by those who want to remain in the EU is destroying this country and making us the laughing stock of the world.  Shame on them.

 

We all know the result of the referendum 23/6/2016 so let the country honour the result and lets leave the EU.

[Evil Inky]

 

 

I want to be able to trade freely throughout the entire world, that includes the whole of Europe ,and not be dictated to by a cabal located in a European Parliament instructing me as to what I can and cannot do.

 

Can I ask which countries you think it will be easier to trade with immediately after Brexit?

[Urabug]

 

 

 

I want to be able to trade freely throughout the entire world, that includes the whole of Europe ,and not be dictated to by a cabal located in a European Parliament instructing me as to what I can and cannot do.

 

Can I ask which countries you think it will be easier to trade with immediately after Brexit?

 

If all our elected MPs had acted appropriately to the referendum decision and had spent the last 2½ years negotiating with our existing trade customers and looking for new ones we would probably have some fantastic deals all ready to go ,but instead they have spent the time squabbling with each other at the expense of you and I. We pay there wages.

 

Remember all was going to stop because of the millennium bug,this will be no different,all scare mongering so as we continue to fund and pay to keep them all in the nice well paid cushy jobs at Brussels.  

 

Yes,we might see a drop in trade to start with but it will not all be applicable to leaving the EU, markets are changing all the time EU or not.

[Davie P]

We already have very good trade deals with our largest import and export trading partners. It's called the EU.

 

To throw that trade deal away and start from scratch seems like a remarkable act of national self-harm to me.

 

The benefits of doing so? When all the "taking back control", "immigrants coming over here and taking our jobs" and "more money for the NHS" rhetoric and posturing are examined there is very little substance to it.

 

In order to trade with other countries, we still need to enter into negotiations, agreements and make compromises - no doubt these new compromises will be seen by some as being bullied by other counties who are dictating the rules.

[Wheelsup]

It will be very difficult for one small country to make deals and/or compete with the big boys, China, India and the USA. We really should be looking to join some kind of Club or Union to get more clout.

[Urabug]

Trade all depends on price and quality and if Britain can supply that, then I see no problem.

 

If wages and all else are kept in check no reason why the UK should not prosper.

 

Britain needs to review it's criteria with regards to the academic qualifications required for many jobs, for instance to enter nursing  one requires goodness knows how many school "ologies" with little though to the practical side that many hold naturally. Probably why we have such a shortage.

 

Academic and practical qualities vary in us all,but apprenticeships would appear to me to more difficult to get into now in the UK unless one has done well at school.

 

I suspect in some of the far east countries one gets a job and then proves there academic and practical qualities .

 

This is an area that the UK has to address if we are to compete with the rest of the world 

 

How many Shetlanders went to sea with no qualifications in years gone by,but ended up Captains,Chief Engineers  ect 

 

Being a member of the EU has produced all this bullsh*t that is a hinderence  and a burden and needs to be relaxed and reformed to give our workforce a better opportunity to get into jobs and prove there academic,practical abilities thus improving our productivity .

 

Having to comply with many of the EU regulations certainly holds us back from competing with the Middle and Far East.

[Colin]

It will be very difficult for one small country to make deals and/or compete with the big boys, China, India and the USA. We really should be looking to join some kind of Club or Union to get more clout.

I could easily be wrong but, I thought that GB was one of the largest of the world's economies.  Hardly a "small"(?) country in those terms.

[Wheelsup]

It all depends who manipulates the figures.  But we don't manufacture that much.  Still way behind  EU, US, China and probably India.

[Ghostrider]

^ 165 countries, some much smaller and far less prosperous than the UK seem to fare well enough dealing with the 'big boys', and everyone else, without ganging up in groups to do so. We've been a member of a (ungodly) union for over 45 years, and its never done a damn thing to get us a better deal with the other 165, so its difficult to see how we can do any worse on our own again.

 

We prospered and grew for 25 years out of being a bombed in to oblivion bankrupt in to a world player before we joined the then EEC, all without an 'empire' to continue plundering. Only insanity could have convinced anyone at that time that with such a track record things could somehow be 'better' subordinating ourselves to a bunch of continental rabble, and time has proven that point.

 

Its been the best part of three years since debate on continued EU membership began in earnest, and I'm still waiting for someone to put forward a list of things EU membership gives us that we'll lose and be worse off for if we leave. Seems to me most remainers believe what they choose to believe out of a fear of change, or a fear of the uncertainty/unknown that is the product of change, rather than hard provable facts.

 

Not having to pay an exorbitant membership fee, which we were supposed to 'get back, plus some' in the advantages of free trade between members, but which has never quite materialised, and not having our business interfered with and dictated to by foreigners who know far too little about what they're messing with, and all too often have ulterior motives, are good enough reasons for me to get the hell out.

 

Some of the continentals are alike enough that they can act as one and get along reasonably well, the British psyche is just too different from their's for it to work for us, and that's not going to change anytime soon. Us being at war with one of them or the other pretty much ever since home sapiens figured out how to cross the Channel, plus the eternal bickering of the last 45 years trying to find enough common ground with them to get along as one, is all the proof anyone needs.

 

We've tried it, its failed, time to get the hell out of Dodge before they destroy us trying to make us be like them, for we're not, and don't want to be.