Brexit (merged threads)

[Davie P]

Britain needs to review it's criteria with regards to the academic qualifications required for many jobs, for instance to enter nursing  one requires goodness knows how many school "ologies" with little though to the practical side that many hold naturally. Probably why we have such a shortage.

 

Academic and practical qualities vary in us all,but apprenticeships would appear to me to more difficult to get into now in the UK unless one has done well at school.

 

I suspect in some of the far east countries one gets a job and then proves there academic and practical qualities .

 

This is an area that the UK has to address if we are to compete with the rest of the world 

 

How many Shetlanders went to sea with no qualifications in years gone by,but ended up Captains,Chief Engineers  ect 

 

Being a member of the EU has produced all this bullsh*t that is a hinderence  and a burden and needs to be relaxed and reformed to give our workforce a better opportunity to get into jobs and prove there academic,practical abilities thus improving our productivity .

 

Becoming a qualified nurse requires a nursing degree, but folk can work as a Healthcare Assistant (nursing assistants, nursing auxiliaries etc). There are no set entry qualifications and folk can work toward various certificates and diplomas, potentially toward a degree.

 

There are no set national academic requirements for apprenticeships, but employers may indeed favour applicants with some qualifications. I can't see that being the EU's fault though.

 

But can I check I'm picking up your point correctly? Are you saying that EU membership has produced unnecessarily high entry requirements for the job market? If so, do you have any evidence or examples?

[Urabug]

Nearly all jobs require some form of certification driving is an example HGV/BUS all require cpc which is nothing but a joke but if you are unemployed and have to renew it where do you find the money and without it you are unemployable as a driver.

 

Just one example of the many,not all bad,but very restrictive and costly to renew if they expire. Fine if you are in work and the employer pays .

 

As far as I know this was introduced by EU legislation.

 

Point is much of this is just a humbug and serves no real purpose.

[Davie P]

Its been the best part of three years since debate on continued EU membership began in earnest, and I'm still waiting for someone to put forward a list of things EU membership gives us that we'll lose and be worse off for if we leave. Seems to me most remainers believe what they choose to believe out of a fear of change, or a fear of the uncertainty/unknown that is the product of change, rather than hard provable facts.

 

Equally, I'm still waiting for someone to put forward a list of "hard provable facts" that demonstrate we'll be better off for if we leave!

 

The optimum is probably somewhere in the middle.

 

The EU is essentially a collection of agreements between countries. Scrapping the whole lot only to have to renegotiate similar agreements seems pointless to me. 

 

Using the UK's strong position within the EU to Remain and Reform seems like the most pragmatic option from my point of view, but pragmatism won't satisfy those who want to leave for symbolic 'take back control' reasons

[Davie P]

Nearly all jobs require some form of certification driving is an example HGV/BUS all require cpc which is nothing but a joke but if you are unemployed and have to renew it where do you find the money and without it you are unemployable as a driver.

 

Just one example of the many,not all bad,but very restrictive and costly to renew if they expire. Fine if you are in work and the employer pays .

 

As far as I know this was introduced by EU legislation.

 

Point is much of this is just a humbug and serves no real purpose.

HGV licenses do indeed allow folk to drive throughout the EU (Surely that's a good thing?), but I can't envisage a scenario whereby leaving the EU will mean the UK government will scrap additional licensing for HGVs and allow normal car license holders to drive trucks (I certainly hope not!).

 

Even if the UK government does replace the scheme there will still need to be some sort of international harmonisation to allow UK HGV drivers to operate cross-border.

[Urabug]

Fair point but if someone is not driving outside Shetland why should they have to comply with all this bullsh*t

[Davie P]

Interesting point.

 

Do you think folk in Shetland should be able to drive trucks without anything additional to a normal car license, and/or should the UK have different HGV licensing requirements for different areas of the UK?

[Capeesh]

Can somebody briefly explain tae me whit happened in parliament daday?!

My understanding is Theresa May and her Tory government have been acting like tin pot dictators using every sleazy, underhand method to sidestep and undermine parliament throughout the Brexit process. The speaker of the house decided enough was enough and used his own underhand method to put a stop to it.

Doesn't help our archaic parliament's rulebook is a series of vague unwritten customs from a time when MP's were expected to act honourably.

Edited January 11, 2019 by Capeesh

[Colin]

Do you think folk in Shetland should be able to drive trucks without anything additional to a normal car license, and/or should the UK have different HGV licensing requirements for different areas of the UK?

 

This is another interesting point, and one that deserves it's own thread.

 

I have been told that it is arguable that nobody needs any kind of driving licence unless they are using a vehicle for business use. 

Apparently, if you are using any vehicle to "travel" between two locations (for personal reasons), and you are not doing so for any kind of business purpose, then legally, a licence to "drive" is not necessary.

I haven't tested this ! as I have a licence anyway but, I daresay sometime, somebody will.

[Colin]

 

Can somebody briefly explain tae me whit happened in parliament daday?!

My understanding is Theresa May and her Tory government have been acting like tin pot dictators using every sleazy, underhand method to sidestep and undermine parliament throughout the Brexit process. The speaker of the house decided enough was enough and used his own underhand method to put a stop to it.

Doesn't help our archaic parliament's rulebook is a series of vague unwritten customs from a time when MP's were expected to act honourably.

 

More than a little truth in there..

 

IMHO what should have happened was, that as soon as the referendum result was in, the government should have set up an all party/all regions committee to oversee negotiations etc.  Instead, we have had over 2 years of protracted arguments, preening, posturing and, downright treasonous behaviour from some of our elected representatives.  The whole thing is a mess !

[Urabug]

Interesting point.

 

Do you think folk in Shetland should be able to drive trucks without anything additional to a normal car license, and/or should the UK have different HGV licensing requirements for different areas of the UK?

I'm not suggesting that the driving tests in general should be relaxed in anyway,but the CPC requirements that were introduced a few years ago are nothing but a waste of time and resources IMHO.

 

As far as i am aware this was some daft EU idea.

 

Ridiculous  that a school bus driver who does the same route for a couple of hours daily has to hold a CPC as well as a PCV licence.

 

Should be exemptions for those cases.

 

Typical of the nonsense produced by the EU 

[Roachmill]

I'm amazed at how amazingly trusting leave voters are. I personally feel a lot of the EU rules and regulations (however overblown some may be) at least make it harder for the government to completely do over any of us 99%. Tories able to set their own employment laws? **** that.

[Wheelsup]

"Typical of the nonsense produced by the EU "

If you substitute "EU" with UK Government, Scottish Government or even SIC, who can honestly tell which is which?

[Capeesh]

Its been the best part of three years since debate on continued EU membership began in earnest, and I'm still waiting for someone to put forward a list of things EU membership gives us that we'll lose and be worse off for if we leave.

Losing access to the EU single markets frictionless, tariff free trade is the whopping great big fat elephant in the room, nearly half our exports go through it, leave that and we've just handed all our competitors on the continent a huge competitive advantage. These are all advanced economies we're talking about, they'll be rubbing their hands in glee and swooping into the gap in the market like vultures. Edited January 11, 2019 by Capeesh

[Davie P]

 

Interesting point.

 

Do you think folk in Shetland should be able to drive trucks without anything additional to a normal car license, and/or should the UK have different HGV licensing requirements for different areas of the UK?

I'm not suggesting that the driving tests in general should be relaxed in anyway,but the CPC requirements that were introduced a few years ago are nothing but a waste of time and resources IMHO.

 

As far as i am aware this was some daft EU idea.

 

Ridiculous  that a school bus driver who does the same route for a couple of hours daily has to hold a CPC as well as a PCV licence.

 

Should be exemptions for those cases.

 

Typical of the nonsense produced by the EU

Leaving the EU won't affect CPC. The UK adopted it in September https://www.ashtonslegal.co.uk/driver-cpc-post-eu-exit-changes

 

It's one of many examples of the UK adopting existing EU legislation (that the UK has been instrumental in drafting) to fill the hole that will be left by leaving.

 

The UK will continue to update legislation such as this in future to allow cross border EU harmonisation. If we leave, the difference will be that we won't have a seat at the top table and we'll have to follow the lead of the EU. And no doubt people will then say that we're being bullied, we need to take back control etc etc....

[Urabug]

When we leave the EU we will be able to make changes to our own laws and legislation to suit our needs and this will now take time.

 

Much of the EU legislation is good but there is a lot of it that can only be described as nonsense.

 

When dealing with the EU countries we will have to accept there rules and no doubt they will hopefully do the same with us.

 

I see no problems in a future out of the EU ,probably a bit of a "credit crunch" as we get out but trade  will soon pick up ,because they need us and we need them .

 

Cannot imagine the European holiday resorts turning there backs on us Brits as that will cost them dearly, they need our fish,ect ect  so trade will continue. 

 

What we do not need is that European Dictatorship,sponging of us and telling us what we can and cannot do. 

 

Best thing to do with bullies is turn your back on them and not be intimidated, once they feel the pinch they will soon change there minds.