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Couldn’t agree more Capeesh, but we voted to remain part of the uk and the uk as a whole voted to leave.

But why care about democracy, the snp has ignored the wishes of the majority ever since where Scottish independence is concerned and are doing the same with the EU vote.

 

As I’ve said previously, what’s the sense in voting anymore if our “elected” government, who are supposed to represent the people and democracy just put their fingers in their ears and go la la la la la la.

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@ Davie P
 

Much as though I like Simon Calder, I think there are flaws in the points he makes.  For starters, he’s saying that the EU are going to permit the same number of flights in 2019 as in 2018.  SC, on the other hand, is saying that British Airways have scheduled 5% more for summer 2019.  Were all seats sold then in 2018?  And who the hell in their right mind has BA as their first choice these days, given that their flights have soared in price compared to other airlines?  (Quite often BA flights cost at least a third more than other airlines)  Perish the thought that one might choose to go via Eurostar, Eurotunnel or (gasps) a ferry …
 

Is it really too difficult for folk to fill in a likkle form on a plane, yanno, like you do when travelling outside of the EU?  Yeah, there is the old ‘Have you got a pen?’ and the hunt for one ½ hour before ya land but is mega difficult?  NOPE.  Sure, some people might have difficulty getting work visas within EU countries but what percentage of the UK population work within the EU?  Those who have decided to make the likes of Spain, France, etc., their main homes can apply for residency and/or citizenship.

Are you assuming that no UK fish will be sold to EU countries?  You appear to be discounting the fact fish will be sold more easily to non-UK countries; for example, the trade restraints we currently have with Russia might be lifted and we used to sell a lot of fish to them.

 

Cadbury’s, Twinings, and Ford spring to mind.  If memory serves me correctly, EU grants were available.

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^ What's the big deal in ending 'Free' movement between the UK and the Continent anyway? We've not had it all that long, relatively speaking, and its hardly going to kill anyone to fill in a form and wave their passport around, just like they have to do when they go to the majority of countries worldwide anyway.

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^^^ Davie, you put forward an article in the Independent, in response to a request for proof. That suggests that you are putting it forward as proof. I would suggest that it is not proof in any way, and probably never will be. It's possibly an interesting article but.....

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Short visits won't be too much of an inconvenience, but living and working will be.

 

No different to living and working in most other countries. There are Shetlanders living and/or working worldwide, what's so special about the continent that anyone happening to live/work there should get special treatment.

 

Its not like we have any significant historical connection with any of them, or share much in common with them. Unlike the oil or merchant navy sectors worldwide, of which the EU has little, and where Shetlanders seem to work/live where they please, despite the supposed drawback of no freedom of movement.

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^^Sorry Davie, I would suggest that the article put forward shows no proof whatsoever. It puts forward claims, no more and no less. They may well be factual but, as far as I can see, there is no proof. Yet more suggestion that we need to be very careful.

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Short visits won't be too much of an inconvenience, but living and working will be.

 

No different to living and working in most other countries. There are Shetlanders living and/or working worldwide, what's so special about the continent that anyone happening to live/work there should get special treatment.

 

Its not like we have any significant historical connection with any of them, or share much in common with them. Unlike the oil or merchant navy sectors worldwide, of which the EU has little, and where Shetlanders seem to work/live where they please, despite the supposed drawback of no freedom of movement.

 

We've had freedom of movement within the EU, and now we're going to lose it. That's the difference. And yes, it will likely revert to the same procedures as moving to or working in non-EU countries, which usually involves multiple hoops to jump through - paperwork, visas, age restrictions for residency, time limits for visits, having a company or wealthy individual to sponsor you, marrying to a resident etc etc.

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Democratic conundrum right there, Scotland voted to remain in both unions, it's now impossible to remain in both.

A democrat would surely want to go to the polls to get clarity.

Nah nah, we have already voted, we’ve had all the clarity we need. That’s democracy. This ‘lets keep going until they get the answer they want’ attitude is certainly not democracy.

 

I voted to stay in both the UK and the EU but I fully accept the results of the vote. Now that’s democracy.

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