Brexit (merged threads)

[Ghostrider]

 

 

 

This country voted by a majority of 1,269,501 to leave the EU,so why are we still members of the European Union !

The short answer is that it is very easy to leave the EU: just declare Article 50 and wait two years. However, it is much harder to leave the EU and not severely damage the economy in the process, and MPs know that people who have lost their jobs and are unable to pay their mortgages are unlikely to vote for them in the next General Election.

 

 

....and an endless vacuum of indecision leaving inward investors and exporters alike in a perpetual leeryness to commit to anything but the shortest term investments, is somehow 'better' for the economy? While such a practice may not be so visible in the short term, its longer term cost is going to be far greater.

 

Come this stage, I don't think any MP need worry about their re-election prospects anyway. On the strength of their antics over the last three years, those who have not personally made themselves un-electable through their own actions (or lack of them) have been made un-electable by their own parties actions (or lack of them).

 

The next General Election, whenever it comes, is going to be a very interesting one. It'll be an out and out miracle if the vast majority of the current 650 manage to retain their deposits if they stand again.

[whalsa]

 

 

 

 

This country voted by a majority of 1,269,501 to leave the EU,so why are we still members of the European Union !

The short answer is that it is very easy to leave the EU: just declare Article 50 and wait two years. However, it is much harder to leave the EU and not severely damage the economy in the process, and MPs know that people who have lost their jobs and are unable to pay their mortgages are unlikely to vote for them in the next General Election.

 

Our MP's have had nearly three years to sort out all the necessary trading arrangements for a smooth exit from the EU, but have spent this time arguing and squabbling amongst themselves.

 

With "normal " changes in the world economy who knows what jobs are at risk Brexit or no Brexit. Climate change and all that goes with it poses a larger risk.IMHO.

 

Is the Sullom Voe job threats a result of Brexit?

 

The Sullom Voe job threats are nothing to do with climate change or Brexit. The oil is out there (West of Shetland mainly) and BP (and others) fully intend to extract it. The risk to SVT is that they are considering alternative routes which bypass SVT and Shetland altogether, such as offshore loading. This comes down to relevant risks and costs associated with the different methods and I very much doubt Brexit is a factor. Environment risk of offshore loading may (should) be considered but that is nothing to do with Climate Change either. 

 

As for Brexit, I will also be voting for the Brexit Party, simply because I still believe that, rightly or wrongly, the country voted to Leave and the more elected politicians who actually support that position the better, theoretically these lot SHOULD only be in position for a relatively short time period anyway... 

 

The drivel being spouted by some other parties locally about how we "should" vote, particularly re the fishing industry, is laughable. 

[Ghostrider]

^ Just the oilys playing their same old game again, we've heard it all before when west oil came onstream first and they managed to set SVT and Flotta against each other in a price war, in which no doubt the only gainers were/are the oilys themselves.

 

They'll always claim to be 'exploring alternatives' to put the wind up their current supplier in the hope it'll get them a better deal, as they are always exploring alternatives, and they've almost certainly already made up their minds what they're going to do already, and nothing will keep them using Sullom unless they've already judged it to be the 'best option', for the moment at least.

 

Oil is global, and it always pays, the political shenanigans of one nation's Government, or even of a region's collective governments are but minor considerations to those guys.

[George.]

How and when is  oil going to be stopped from coming through us, and going straight through Rotterdam instead?

[Wheelsup]

As soon as its no longer financially viable to keep botching up the infrastructure at SV. Might not be long.

[Urabug]

I suppose  many may think that if we remain in the EU all will be fine, but I fear this is not the case, as to combat climate change fossil fuels will have to be taxed and tarrifed to force us all to use less. 

 

The effect of this will be higher costs to us all which will have a knock on effect to everything we buy from groceries to holidays.

 

If we travel less, the tourist trade will suffer greatly everywhere, and  economically we will all have much less money to spend .

 

Remaining in the EU will make little difference as this will have to be an internationally agreed plan to reduce the use of fossil fuel in an effort to reduce global warming 

 

The future of Sullom Voe and the oil industry will depend on the demand for oil and the cost of running the terminal.

 

What will be the demand for oil in say 20 yrs time,with more electric cars, wind turbines,solar panels ect  ect.

 

If oil can be handled/transferred more economically without coming to Sullom Voe then that is probably what will happen, the cost of maintaining and running the terminal is very costly.

 

Doubt that remaining in the EU will make any difference there . 

 

At a time like this let us take control of our own destiny,make our own decisions and not be controlled from Brussels.

 

Shetland might need it's fish industry more than ever in the years ahead, so we need to gain full control of our waters. 

Edited May 21, 2019 by Urabug

[Ghostrider]

^ Remaining in the EU is no longer an option, unless for suicide.

 

Once the referendum count was in and the rest of them realised we'd snubbed them by rejecting their cosy little arrangement, we became either a cuckoo in the nest or a trojan horse in their eyes. As if they weren't shafting us and stabbing us in the back enough beforehand anyway, their efforts in that department will be redoubled if we stay. Our rejection of them and their's hurt their pride and feelings, and they're not the kind to look critically at themselves to try and understand why we rejected them, and try and wave carrots at us to win us back over. They're the spiteful vengeful type, as they've ably demonstrated with some of their comments and rants in the last three years, and they make things happen with the use of a stick.

[Urabug]

We should and could adopt a Trumps attitude "BRITAIN " first.that would be better than letting Brussels "rule the roost"

 

Yeah! I doubt if the UK will be as welcome in "the house of Brussels" from now on, no matter what happens..

[Capeesh]

If the EU is so undemocratic how come we're voting in a democratic European election?

Edited May 22, 2019 by Capeesh

[Suffererof1crankymofo]

@ Capeesh

 

Voting in a democratic manner doesn't mean the organisation holding the election behaves in a democratic manner; two different things.

[Urabug]

If the EU is so undemocratic how come we're voting in a democratic European election?

A very good question when we have enough MPs in Westminster and Holyrood and elsewhere already.

 

Precisely why we should be out of the EU.

[George.]

Precisely why we should be out of the EU.

 

Anthony Eden inflicted the Treaty on the Functioning of the European Union upon us in 1957 without asking whether he should or not, but that's democracy for you and that's Westminster for you as well. That's where the European Union started, and was inflicted upon us with no democracy whatsoever. 52% of the United Kingdom voted to leave the E.U on the twenty-third of June, 2016.

 

That's precisely why we need to leave the E.U. We should never have had it inflicted upon us without at least a little democracy but, of course, Westminster couldn't define "Democracy".

[Urabug]

Many of our MPs will soon no doubt be attending the” D” Day events to commemorate our brave armed forces who fought for and won our freedom 75 yrs ago

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Just a shame that so many of them have over the past almost 3 yrs have shown themselves to be hypocrites and would let this hard won freedom be as good as taken away from us .

 

Being ruled from the “House of Brussels” is not in my opinion the type of freedom that was so dearly fought for so many years ago.

 

The terrible cost of human suffering  at this time is far beyond  comprehension, and must not be forgot.

 

We are supposed to learn from history, it would appear that many are now ignoring it, surely  to our peril.

 

Good to trade with all but not to be controlled by them.

[Capeesh]

We are not controlled or ruled from Brussels.

Brexiteers do not speak for our war dead.

One of the main reasons European nations formed closer ties after WW2 was to end centuries of conflict.

Fantasists who dream of a return to the days of empire where we controlled trade to and from our former colonies need their head examined, they've moved on since 1945. In fact we've enjoyed more clout forging trade deals with them and the rest of the world as part of the EU, the biggest and richest trading bloc in the world.

Every nation gives away a little sovereignty wether it's with trade deals, military alliances, environmental agreements etc, and so on, the only countries I can think of that have almost complete sovereignty are rogue states like North Korea, I don't want my kids to be brought up in an inward looking backward country like that.

Edited May 24, 2019 by Capeesh

[George.]

We are not controlled or ruled from Brussels.

 

I would like to see some proof of that.