Brexit (merged threads)

[Claadehol]

Hakama, there's plenty of mainland Scotland in which to milk the tartan trade as far as tourism is concerned, and the tartan tam-o-shanters and kilts belong there historically, they don't belong here. Same applies to the bagpipes! We've never spoken gaelic either, and we don't want it now, why would we?

And as far as the SNP is concerned I notice you say "perhaps".

Can't share your hesitant enthusiasm.

[George.]

Best the UK sticks together,one helping the other if that is possible.

 

The U. K. is no more than a scab on the @rse of Scotland.

[admin]

^ you were warned, you persisted and you have earned a 3 day suspension for trolling

[Rasmie]

So nothing much has changed. Still no one has a achieved an overall majority in favour of Brexit or Scottish independence. The country still split whatever way you .cut it. Ok the main parties have had a short sharp shock got their dithering. So what next.

[Capeesh]

The vast majority of our fellow Shetlanders who voted in the European election have opted for pro remain parties just like every single other council area in Scotland, very similar to the EU referendum itself.

We maybe don't wear kilts but the majority of Shetlands voters seem to share a dislike of Brexit.

[Claadehol]

Nothing wrong with that Capeesh but we must keep our identity that means a.respectable distance from the tartan.

[Nigel Bridgman-Elliot]

> Irn Bru is just another sickly sugar loaded drink

I'm reminded:

https://www.rehis.com/story/irn-bru-recipe-change-reduce-its-sugar-content
> From January 2018 Irn Bru will contain approximately 50% less sugar.

I guess its all part of the plan to give us tasteless food that is good for us..

 

[JGHR]

The vast majority of our fellow Shetlanders who voted in the European election have opted for pro remain parties just like every single other council area in Scotland, very similar to the EU referendum itself.

We maybe don't wear kilts but the majority of Shetlands voters seem to share a dislike of Brexit.

 

Exactly right.

 

And not only that but the majority of voters UK wide are conclusively shown to be anti Brexit.  Corbyn has now placed his support behind a second referendum. If he'd done that back when the Lib Dems did, instead of sitting on the fence and waiting for the Torys to self destruct, he'd probably be prime minister by now getting on with the business of renationalising the railways and the notion of Brexit would have been a distant memory.

 

There will almost certainly be a second EU referendum and Britain is unlikely to leave. If it does somehow happen though, there will be a second second referendum and Scotland will become independent. Farage and the Brexit party have done more to hasten Scottish independence than the SNP could ever have hoped for in such a short space of time. Many Brexit/UKIP voters don't seem to be able to understand that connection. 

 

Representative democracy isn't perfect, and it can be difficult to decipher its workings, but it generally arrives at the right answer in the end.

[Urabug]

In the last 45 years how many Billion of  pounds has the UK put into the EU, and how many Billions of pounds have we had returned in the way of funding and grants .

 

Do the figures balance.

 

I suspect that those who support political parties that want to remain in the EU are among those that have gained most from the EU,and do not see the broader picture but if my information is correct what the UK has got back looks a lot, but nevertheless a pittance to what we have contributed.

 

Is my info correct and the UK is actually giving our hard earned "taxes" away ?

[Ghostrider]

^ Then you can ask why EU rules allow UK fishing quota to be owned by foreign entities, and why foreign owned and operated fishing boats are allowed UK registry, how much is that taking out of the country?

 

How come UK dairy farmers are being put out of business by undercutting from Belgians, how come beef farmers are being put out of business by undercutting from the Irish, how come UK sheep farmers' market in Italy vanished over night when some eastern europe banana republic undercut that market?

 

The EEC (in true communist/socialist philosophy) was sold as being an overseeing body that ensured those who were 'best placed' to supply a product did so to those in circumstances less suited to supplying that product, parity of price across the bloc, and regulated supply of any product to address demand.

 

A nice theory, but its never done what it said on the tin, and since they became the EU they seem to have even given up pretending to try.

[Urabug]

 

 

How come UK dairy farmers are being put out of business by undercutting from Belgians, how come beef farmers are being put out of business by undercutting from the Irish, how come UK sheep farmers' market in Italy vanished over night when some eastern europe banana republic undercut that market?

 

 

 

 

And what about our shipyards,steel industry ect ect .

 

How many fishing boats are being built in Britain !

 

Industry in Britain has disappeared, probably partly due to our labour costs , but cheap labour and materials abroad has been the death of it.

 

They speak about rip of Britain , I would say what about rip of Europe.

 

Competition is good but there has to be limit.

[Evil Inky]

 

 

And what about our shipyards,steel industry ect ect .

 

 

According to Gareth Stace, the director general of UK Steel, Brexit will make things worse for the steel industry, rather than better.

 

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/may/26/uk-steel-industry-brexit-eu-damage-exports

[Suffererof1crankymofo]

@ Evil Inky

 

Don't get me started on the steelworks, given that S{by the way, do you realise I tried to swear here?}horpe is my home town!

 

It is the EU who are stating that European countries are producing too much steel and are restricting its production; how they figure that meets with their original ideology beats me.  It is the EU who collect the 'carbon tax' on behalf of the global agreement yet it is the EU who have refused to also administer the tax credits due under the same scheme, partially leading to the demise of British Steel.  It was the EU whose rules permitted the likes of Corus to purchase then sell to Tata the original British Steel.

What many people appear to forget is that we can still trade with EU member states on WTO terms.  Do you seriously think the likes of Audi, Miele, etc., are going to want to purchase solely chinesium, the type of steel that can't hold up bridges and either crumbles or you can put a huge massive dent in it with your fist?

S{by the way, do you realise I tried to swear here?}horpe, incidentally, is one of the most advanced steelworks in the world and is a profitable site with a healthy order book; obviously something that other European steel manufacturers are jealous of.

 

Edit:  No, I'm not trying to swear, it's the stupid filter!

 

We need our own steel for our railways, not to mention build ships, boats, etc.  What the guy from the UK Steel Association appears to be overlooking is that British Steel is known for its quality and if that means we're free to produce to our standards and above EU Standards, then so be it.

Edited May 28, 2019 by Suffererof1crankymofo

[Urabug]

The UK is but a small cog in the EU gearbox ,but nevertheless to them a very important one and because of that they will try everything to keep us in the system.(financial)

 

Would not be surprised to see European funding suddenly appear to "prop up" the UK steel works in an effort to try and persuade those who are opposed to them,change there minds

 

It would be stupid to let the steel industry fail,to lose all the expertise and skills would be a folly leaving us dependant on our steel from outwith the UK.

 

Not sure exactly what part the EU plays in this but being a member of it seems to be doing little to prevent the dissemination of much of our industries,so why should we stay.

 

Competitive tendering forced on us,is that good or bad ! 

[Muckle Oxters]

In the last 45 years how many Billion of  pounds has the UK put into the EU, and how many Billions of pounds have we had returned in the way of funding and grants .

 

Do the figures balance.

 

Dat's is indeed da billion dollar question! If it wis an easy answer den it wid mak da Brexit decision an easy een too, but it's no joost a case dat we gee 'dem' some money and den 'dey' gee wis it back. We a globalised economy dir will never be an easy answer tae dat. 

 

 

Industry in Britain has disappeared, probably partly due to our labour costs , but cheap labour and materials abroad has been the death of it.

 

They speak about rip of Britain , I would say what about rip of Europe.

 

Competition is good but there has to be limit.

 

 

Du hit da nail on da head, den kinda reversed and tried to blame da EU. I reckon we canna squarely blame da EU for da decline o manufacturing. I doot da fact dat sooth aest Asia can knock things oot far cheaper is da root o dat.