Evil Inky Posted February 21, 2020 Report Share Posted February 21, 2020 (edited) Looks like Jimmy Buchan, CEO of the Scottish Seafood Association, might be having second thoughts about Brexit: https://www.thenational.scot/news/18249489.brexiteer-blasts-immigration-plans-catastrophic-fishing-industry/ Edited February 21, 2020 by Evil Inky Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Urabug Posted February 21, 2020 Author Report Share Posted February 21, 2020 The government has now made a concession it will allow fish process workers.Apparently it is skilled and I would certainly agree,not everyone can fillet fish. Way back we had gutters huts,and the HIB (Herring Industry Board) had accommodation huts to house there casual/seasonal workers,where are those fish workers housed now ? Anyone from the Isles or a bit away from the place of work might find it impossible due to costs ,lack of transport ect to even consider a job in the fish industry or service trade.. Ma'be their is a business opportunity for someone to operate hostel type accommodation for the benefit of all seasonal workers. And yes the Stanyhill hostel did not work why ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Capeesh Posted February 21, 2020 Report Share Posted February 21, 2020 Looks like Jimmy Buchan, CEO of the Scottish Seafood Association, might be having second thoughts about Brexit: https://www.thenational.scot/news/18249489.brexiteer-blasts-immigration-plans-catastrophic-fishing-industry/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roachmill Posted February 21, 2020 Report Share Posted February 21, 2020 (edited) There was a fair bit of "vote for Brexit and we'll take back control of our waters" banded about up here at the time. It is sadly unsurprising that that's looking like it's not gonna happen. It'll still be the SNPs fault somehow. Edited February 22, 2020 by admin quote / image repost removed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghostrider Posted February 22, 2020 Report Share Posted February 22, 2020 (edited) When the article linked is from the SNP's own daily propaganda publication rag, they made it their fault.Objectivity and unbiased are the last things that are going to be found in a Brexit article from the most rabid remainers you'll find. Edited February 22, 2020 by admin quote / image repost removed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Evil Inky Posted February 22, 2020 Report Share Posted February 22, 2020 ^^^^ Are you saying that Mr Buchan has been misquoted, that he's mistaken, or that he's lying? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
George. Posted February 22, 2020 Report Share Posted February 22, 2020 The government has now made a concession it will allow fish process workers. Westminster or Holyrood? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Urabug Posted February 22, 2020 Author Report Share Posted February 22, 2020 The government has now made a concession it will allow fish process workers. Westminster or Holyrood? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
George. Posted February 22, 2020 Report Share Posted February 22, 2020 The government has now made a concession it will allow fish process workers. Westminster or Holyrood? The Scottish government or the British government? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghostrider Posted February 23, 2020 Report Share Posted February 23, 2020 ^^^^ Are you saying that Mr Buchan has been misquoted, that he's mistaken, or that he's lying?I'm saying the article lacks objectivity and balance, and is wholly biased towards promoting/supporting only one very narrow POV. By its very nature of being an insular and introspective organisation and forcing member nations of the EU to utilise resources from within the bloc, regardless whether they're 'best value' or otherwise, before sanctioning imports from elsewhere, of course the UK leaving the bloc is going to inevitably involve change in how/where certain resources are sourced by the UK. The overall 'message' of that article is to try and promote and push the idea that the end of free movement will inevitably create a labour shortage in the UK in certain field that will result in those industries being stifled. That scenario may well be a possibility, but its a long way from being an inevitability. Yes, the free flow of labour in/out of the EU with the UK will very likely reduce the number of EU nationals seeking work in the UK, and if ignored the implications made in the article could well transpire. But that'll only happen if everybody sits back and ignores the situation and does nothing. We still have several months left before it becomes an issue on the ground, all that is required is arrangements to be put in place to permit a replacement workforce to do the work instead, and that need only take days to happen if the motivation is there. Folk with knowledge of industries though need to get out there and make noise about what their industry needs to happen to allow it to survive, thrive and hopefully grow through this period of change and beyond, and surely that is what Buchan is doing here. Highlighting publically the changes that will inevitably occur in the industry he represents so that those in charge are made aware of them and made to address them. Governments know nothing, they need to be told, and they don't listen unless an industry or the public shouts loud enough. Buchan is shouting on behalf of his industry. If the author of the article chooses to take a Private Frazer 'We're aa doooooooooomed' approach in their writing, wring their hands and bury their head in the sand, that's their perogative, but it makes for an inaccurate and largely pointless article. The marvelous thing about Brexit is that no longer are we hamstrung in to having to hire only EU nationals for jobs, regardless that they may or may not be the best fit for the position available, and if no EU nationals are available, we had to make do with people from elsewhere decided by Brussels, not us. Once we're out of this crazy Euro Commie club we get to pick and choose who we let in and on what terms from every country in the world. We just have to convince Westminster, and its an email to immigration offices, job done. Unlike the present, where we have to convince Westminster to get motivated enough to go and convince Brussels, then wait and see what Brussels eventually decide to offer us, which may or may not be an acceptable solution for the UK's needs. Despite the free flow of EU workers in to the UK, Tesco allegedly ship fish caught in UK waters to China for processing then ship the retail product back to the UK for sale, as 'there's a shortage of processing workers in the UK'. It would be a massive carbon saving and doing a moral good deed to encourage those Chinese fish processing workers to come over here instead, which doesn't seem to be something the EU is big in to. There's plenty of Chinese chomping at the bit to come here and work, and happily fly under the radar to do it. The number we throw out of the country regularly, even from here, is testament to that. The UK is not going to be short of a low-skilled/unskilled workforce who will happily work for bottom end pay in poor conditions anytime soon as long as Westminster puts in place measures to control and legitimise those who are currently getting in anyway as illegals. Just look at the long standing kerfuffle at Calais, and that bunch of poor sods from Veitnam who were willing to pay silly money and risk, and unfortunately lose their lives to get in here at New Year. All of those people were in EU nations, all had passed through several other EU nations, they could have remained in any of them, but for some unfathomable reason were willing take make huge investments and take silly risks to get to the UK. Just imagine how many more would come too if it was legit and only cost a standard one way air ticket. Before 1973 the NHS and hospitality industries in the UK relied heavily on staff from the Philippines for low end positions. Once the EU moved in with their dictatorial iron fist they soon got short shrift. In time the positions were slowly filled with EU nationals, if the EU nationals go, the Philippinos will soon come back, all they need, like the Chinese etc, is a green light and an opened door. Despite the NHS and the hospitality industry moaning that they were 'ruined' as a chunk of their workforce had vanished and they didn't know how to replace them...... Yeah, that's why I'm cynical, I've heard it all before....... Nobody cared in '73. It was, 'its a done deal, it'll all work out in the end.......' and eventually it did, as well as it could all things considered. We're just completing the circle, EU dudes out, everybody else welcome back......Sounds good to me, I'd rather we had the pick of the workforce of approx 7.15 Billion rather than of the approx 5.5 Million we've largely been stuck with since '73. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Evil Inky Posted February 23, 2020 Report Share Posted February 23, 2020 ^^^^^^^Are you really claiming that the EU decide who is allowed to migrate from the rest of the world to work in the UK? Assuming you're serious, and this isn't just a wind-up, the EU doesn't prevent the UK from allowing people to migrate here from China, the Philippines, or anywhere else.Unless of course you can point to the relevant piece of EU legislation? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Capeesh Posted February 23, 2020 Report Share Posted February 23, 2020 (edited) @Ghostrider.The argument that drove Brexit in large parts of the UK wasn't there's "too many Europeans" it was there's "too many immigrants".The immigration system the Tories are putting in place to pander to these voters blocks immigration for certain jobs to ALL nationalities, not just European ones.There's a lot of people who believe, rightly or wrongly, that immigration is a problem, being tough on immigration is a vote winner in large parts of the UK, unfortunately that doesn't help us in Shetland or Scotland attract working age, tax paying people to do what is deemed "low skilled work".Another negative we're seeing now is we're even losing skilled workers, by pandering to this "immigration is bad" narrative we're making it less attractive for them to come and work here.One great irony of this whole debacle is the current Tory Home Secretary Priti Patel's immigration plan would've prevented her being the current Home Secretary, by her own admission there's a good chance her Ugandan parents wouldn't have qualified for UK entry. Edited February 23, 2020 by Capeesh tirvaluk 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Urabug Posted February 23, 2020 Author Report Share Posted February 23, 2020 (edited) I'm not so sure that Brexit has so much to do with migrant workers as the value of the pound in respect to their home currency. Today £1000 =1194 Euros £10000 = 11943 Euros. So therefore the more skilled migrants will obviously earn more and be proportionally better off . It all depends what they can earn in there own country in comparison to what they will earn over here and is it worth the effort for that bit extra. If we compare the cost of living in many other countries it is worth someone coming over here as they will earn a bit more than at home but the value of the pound controls that. The freedom of movement and new immigration rules will certainly have an effect, but remember many of us Brits have and still do work abroad , I cannot see to many restrictions as it works both ways. Migrants were coming here a few years ago in large numbers because the exchange rate Pound/Euro was high a lot higher than it is now. Edited February 23, 2020 by Urabug Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
George. Posted February 23, 2020 Report Share Posted February 23, 2020 Today £1000 =1194 Euros £10000 = 11943 Euros. So therefore the more skilled migrants will obviously earn more and be proportionally better off . Perhaps you could explain just where the increase in earnings comes from? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Urabug Posted February 23, 2020 Author Report Share Posted February 23, 2020 Today £1000 =1194 Euros £10000 = 11943 Euros. So therefore the more skilled migrants will obviously earn more and be proportionally better off . Perhaps you could explain just where the increase in earnings comes from? Well i thought that would be self explanatory. Migrants can earn more over in the UK than they earn at home,that's why they come here and a stronger pound gives them more "euros" when they exchange their meager earnings. Those earnings ultimately come from you and i and everyone else who contribute to the establishment they work in by purchasing what ever they produce. Plenty of UK folk have worked abroad and still do for better money. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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