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So in the news now. Not enough drivers equals fuel shortages at the pumps.  Supermarket shelves  starting to get empty. 20.000 European lorry drivers had gone home. Not enough medical staff to catch up with a backlog of cancer patients. They have gone home to Europe as well.  At least in Shetland the fuel is delivered by sea. But the price is going up.

Its either Brexit and / or government incompetence.

Shortage of gas , so price goes up, conveniently,  at a time when PM promises to cut back on gas consumption.  It looks to me like they are forcing fuel prices up to get us to use less.

It seems hard times are coming ssoon.

 

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22 hours ago, Roachmill said:

I would strongly disagree with that; they were voted in to power. It's a bit like handing a set of keys to a well known drunk staggering towards their car and then blaming them when they crash.

Folk can only vote for what's on the ballot. You either vote for whom you feel is the lesser evil, or you don't vote at all and risk other's votes will put in whom you judge to be the worst evil. Not having a Parliament/Government isn't an option, even if nobody voted a Parliament/Government would be appointed for us, one way pr another, even if it only was everything being dumped on the House of Lords instead. Them, we apparently can't get rid of (yet anyway) however bad they are or may become.

At least with the drunk, you can choose to refuse them their keys and leave them to stumble around until they find a ditch to sleep it off in.

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23 hours ago, Evil Inky said:

One consequence would be leaving the EU, surely, or would you have been prepared to be flexible on that point?

Nope. Brexit was the act of leaving EU in and of itself, not a consequence of leaving. Had we not left Brexit wasn't something that could happen, and if Brexit happened we had to have left.

The consequences of Brexit are confined to the manner in which we left the EU, and how things got/get set up for our future outwith the EU.

Saying leaving the EU is a consequence of Brexit is a bit like saying being hit in the face by someone's fist is a consequence of being punched in the face.

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2 hours ago, Ghostrider said:

Folk can only vote for what's on the ballot. You either vote for whom you feel is the lesser evil, or you don't vote at all and risk other's votes will put in whom you judge to be the worst evil. Not having a Parliament/Government isn't an option, even if nobody voted a Parliament/Government would be appointed for us, one way pr another, even if it only was everything being dumped on the House of Lords instead. Them, we apparently can't get rid of (yet anyway) however bad they are or may become.

At least with the drunk, you can choose to refuse them their keys and leave them to stumble around until they find a ditch to sleep it off in.

Think we proved one thing at the last election. Boris convinced people to double down on brexit because folk were getting bored of it. Single biggest decision to effect this country in over a generation and folk voted for Boris because he said he would just get on with it.

In years to come I know my bairn will ask how we allowed Boris Johnson and his corrupt band of pals to wreck this country and all I'll be able to say is because folk were getting bored of the debate as to whether or not it was a good idea and if we wanted to work for a better deal.

We've become a nation of halfwits with the attention span of a mayfly. Everything that is happening to us now is because we have become easily manipulated. Nobody bothers to look into sod all anymore.

But yeah brexit, great opportunity missed.

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3 hours ago, JohanofNess said:

We've become a nation of halfwits with the attention span of a mayfly. Everything that is happening to us now is because we have become easily manipulated. Nobody bothers to look into sod all anymore.

I agree, and there's several factors at play, some of which vex me greatly:

  • A debasement of the media - the 4th estate of democracy - people no longer expect to pay for news, investigative journalism is on its knees, and news has been replaced by opinion-ised 'infotainment'
  • Statistics show that attention spans are going down across the board, particularly amongst younger people (the endless scroll of social media.....)
  • Participation in consensus politics and local democracy has been replaced by online echo-chambers and keyboard warrior-ism - everyone has the ability to share ill-informed opinions without consequence, and there seems to be more of a desire to prove everyone else wrong that to actually put our collective heads together to solve problems and build a better future

Brexit was the apex of the above

 

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4 hours ago, LGR PATONEXCHANGE said:

If Brexit was the apex, why is the 3 points you make (with which I agree) happening across the Western style democracies, the commonwealth..etc...?

Perhaps, because it is a global phenomenon ?  It's the power (and major failure) of social media.  It has become so 'cliquey' that, unless you share an opinion that is common with the majority, you become something of an outcast.

Television News, I don't bother watching it these days.  Far to much 'drivel' and opinion pieces in there. Not enough substance. 

Newspapers, I haven't bought one in years.  As with television, except that they stick 'boobs' on page 3 or something.  They lie more than politicians do.

Politics, I ALWAYS cast my vote.  Generally based on the historic performance of particular candidates.  Still doesn't guarantee that they will not mess it up though.

 

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