Poll - 2019 Shetland MSP by-election

[Ghostrider]

A one party state is the only way forward apparently. If that is the case God help us!

 

We've been barely a baa hair away from that for the 20 years Holyrood has existed.

 

Scotland is predominantly a socialist nation, and the only difference between the Nats and Labour is the Nats one trick pony of independence, which has been looking a pretty lame and moth eaten looking beast since the referendum.

 

The Nats bubble burst when the referendum went against them, they had no plan B for that scenario, and its shown ever since. They barely scraped in to power by going to bed with the Greens and Labour being in such a shambles at the last election. The next election in 18 months or whenever it is is going to be interesting, I can't see them hanging in any longer, they've done nothing to retain the converts they gained amid the 'independence' fervour they churned up, let alone attract new ones.

 

I wouldn't care to try and predict who will win this by-election, I suspect the vote will be pretty evenly divided among four of them, with only a handful of votes dividing them, and I would suspect the next Scottish elections will mirror that result. At least in the by-election we'll hopefully have one clear winner, even if it is only by a single figure of votes majority, however if a reasonably equal division of votes also were to happen among the four main players in a Scottish election we'll end up with a chaotic unworkable shambles worst than anything thats gone before, The Nats gave te pot a damn good stir by throwing independence in the mix, and now we have to go through the process of waiting to see where everything in the pot settles back down to.

 

P.S. It might be interesting to see what happened if  'Don't Know' and 'Wouldn't Vote' options were added to the poll. - Personally I'd have to tick 'Don't Know', as if I vote at all I will very probably only make my mind up when I'm ready to put the 'X' in the box.

Edited August 9, 2019 by Ghostrider

[Colin]

Had the SNP at my door last night.  Sent them packing.   They seem to be canvassing "mob handed" as there were quite a few of them in Scy.

 

I still haven't made my mind up as to who is getting my vote but, it will NOT be the SNP candidate.  I just do not go with the "nationaistic fervour" they try to generate.  My father spent 6 years shooting at people who fell for that one.

[George.]

^Never forget how nationalistic the British parties that leech around Westminster are.

 

Very BritNat.

[Muckle Oxters]

 

t will NOT be the SNP candidate.  I just do not go with the "nationaistic fervour" they try to generate. 

 

Whit's da difference atween dem and da Brexit supporting parties? Dey're aa nationalist. I really dunna see why it's a good thing fur da UK to laeve da EU but no for Scotland tae laeve da UK. 

[Urabug]

My selection of candidate is narrowed down considerably,as I will only vote for a party or someone who supports the national democratic vote of 2016.

 

I went to the polling station in good faith and cast my vote like thousands of others in June 2016 and expected the result to be carried out according to the normal counting process eg the majority vote wins but as we all now know the Lib/Dems and the SNP and many others are in total defiance of the result.

 

I bet there will be no "definance"when the votes are counted on the 29th of August ,who ever has the biggest score will win ,so why was the EU referendum vote different.

 

How can I, or for that matter anyone else trust politicians who cannot obey the simple rules of democracy,

 

We the people of the UK voted and it was up to them do the honorable thing but instead  they have brought this country into caos and disrepute, how can anyone vote for any person or party who supports that.  

Edited August 9, 2019 by Urabug

[Claadehol]

What you must remember Ghostrider is the fact that the SNP in their cynical fashion, have now given the vote to 16 year olds.

Why would they do this? Now some will say: "It's their futures." and that is true. However a 16 year old, most probably still at school, has no experience of the real world, and is far, far easier to impress than an adult. They can be manipulated and brainwashed by the SNP to vote for the fantastic future offered by Nicola when free of Westminster.

The brain isn't fully developed till the mid twenties and a 16 year old has never had any experience of income tax, council tax, rent, mortgages, house insurance, life insurance, house repair bills, heating costs, etc. etc. etc.

The last referendum had the SNP campaigning outside cinemas where "Braveheart" was being shown, (a historically inaccurate film), but one that will impress 16 year olds.

The vote was given to 16 year olds for cynical political reasons, and no other reason.

That is why the SNP will gain ground.

Sadly!

[George.]

^How very Westminster.

[admin]

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[Capeesh]

Tom Wills and the SNP will be in the best position to deliver and maintain what's best for my family.

Huge increase in free nursery places so me and the wife don't have to pay through the nose and work every hour God sends to pay for private childcare to make sure our kids get a good start in life.

No tuition fees so the members of my family who haven't already benefited will be able to better themselves and go to university and not be 10's of thousands of £££ in debt when they finish their degrees.

Free prescriptions so if anyone in my family gets sick they won't have to pay for medicine.

Maintaining EU membership which I believe has been and will be good for my family.

Tom Wills will also for the next 18 months at least, if elected, be in the enviable position of actually being in government and having the power to actually deliver on the things he's saying he wants to pursue for Shetland.

Edited August 9, 2019 by Capeesh

[Claadehol]

I thought the Sandwick nursery just closed Capeesh, causing problems for members of my family.?

[Davie P]

I bet there will be no "definance"when the votes are counted on the 29th of August ,who ever has the biggest score will win ,so why was the EU referendum vote different.

 

How can I, or for that matter anyone else trust politicians who cannot obey the simple rules of democracy,

 

You ask, "why was the EU referendum vote different"?

 

The 'rules' of the EU referendum was that it was a pre-legislative advisory vote. The MSP By-Election is to select our representative at the Scottish Parliament.

 

Elected representatives who debate EU membership, whether they are supportive or against, are obeying the 'simple rules of democracy' as per the legislation on which the referendum was based and parliamentary procedures. Falsely claiming that they are breaking 'rules' does not help clarity of discussion.

[Wheelsup]

I really don't know who will get my vote.

I used to vote Tory, but they have shown themselves  incompetent at governing, and Boris is a neep. An Educated eejit.

I might have voted Labour, but again they seem incompetent. plus the fuss the local candidates made over Up Helly Aa.

I have no faith in the SNP (Although hopefully they would disappear if Scotland got independence.) Also like Father like Son?

The most honest candidates are the independents, but honesty might not make the best politicians.

I think for me, its going to be a toss-up between the Liberals (God help us)  and Ryan Thomson.

[Davie P]

^ Indeed, I can't recall an election where so many people were still 'floating voters' in the weeks beforehand.

 

I believe Radio Shetland are hosting a hustings the week before the vote. I'll probably make my decision after that.

[Urabug]

 

I bet there will be no "definance"when the votes are counted on the 29th of August ,who ever has the biggest score will win ,so why was the EU referendum vote different.

 

How can I, or for that matter anyone else trust politicians who cannot obey the simple rules of democracy,

 

You ask, "why was the EU referendum vote different"?

 

The 'rules' of the EU referendum was that it was a pre-legislative advisory vote. The MSP By-Election is to select our representative at the Scottish Parliament.

 

Elected representatives who debate EU membership, whether they are supportive or against, are obeying the 'simple rules of democracy' as per the legislation on which the referendum was based and parliamentary procedures. Falsely claiming that they are breaking 'rules' does not help clarity of discussion.

 

In my opinion that is pure nonsense as I do not recall ever being told that this was an advisory vote.  Where on the voteing paper did it say this .

 

Guess the remoaners making up stories and stirring the **ite again.  

[Davie P]

Luckily it doesn't come down to your opinion, it comes down to facts, and the facts aren't on your side. We've already been through all this in the Brexit thread Urabug.

 

If you didn't understand the referendum, perhaps you should have done a little research before you voted. The legislation on which the referendum was based, and subsequent rulings by the High Court, are very clear.

 

"a referendum on any topic can only be advisory for the lawmakers in Parliament unless very clear language to the contrary is used in the referendum legislation in question... No such language is used in the 2015 Referendum Act," {source}

 

I suggest to do a little research on the subject, or remind yourself of the Brexit discussion thread,  before labelling me a '(friends with concerns about Brexit)' who is 'making up stories and stirring the **ite again' 

Edited August 9, 2019 by Davie P