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some of us can mind the new roads goin in in the 70's and have had to work knee deep in ulger ever since, its no so easy to see now wi floss an weeds , but there was some mire right enough , and places it took off afore the hill reaching the watercourse , aw deeah. The diversity of small weed like plants and thisles and moss that grow there now is wonderful and supports peerie singin birds for the cat to aet

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The thing is, there are roads all over Shetland which were driven straight through the hill and none of them seem to have caused the environmental devastation that "sustainable" Shetland claim will be caused by the roads and other works associated with the windfarm.

 

the roads built in the past tend to skirt the hills AT, not as you claim "straight through them" a big differance I think you will find.

Lets look to Yell where at this moment they are attempting to build a floating road straight through the hill and failing quite spectacularly.

"anyone seen our digger". :lol: :lol:

 

Something that has been evident in civil engineering projects in Shetland over the past couple dozen years or more is a complete inability to get the project in on time or anywhere near budget so why do you think that VE will be any different.

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its private. so they can'tgo overtime or budget.

 

the liverpool to manchester railway goes across very deep bog its last well over 150 years. you do need to know what your doing and the last thing that you would want is a digger getting the ground messed up.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chat_Moss

 

i forgot about the motorway as well the peat there is 30 feet deep.

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Take a look at this:

 

http://www.multimap.com/maps/?mapType=aerial&zoom=15&countryCode=&lat=%2060.6033&lon=-0.874167#map=60.2923,-1.19571|15|8&bd=useful_information

 

,right in the heart of windmill country. The degraded and eroding peat is obvious. (thanks to Lastditch for the link to this site)

 

This is the same problem I have got with google earth. It is difficult to see what state the ground is in from the photographs. You say the eroding peat is obvious, but I think you need to actually go out into the hills to understand what is going on. Who did the peat survey for VE? Was it the Macaulay Land Use Institute maybe? Did they provide any calculations for emissions from the damaged peat?

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Ok, crofter, I've zoomed in on one of the worst bits. Can you see it now?

 

http://www.multimap.com/maps/?mapType=aerial&zoom=15&countryCode=&lat=%2060.6033&lon=-0.874167#map=60.29117,-1.2096|18|8&bd=useful_information

 

There's no way you can convince me that is healthy moorland. Now zoom out and see how widespread that erosion is in that part of the hill. It's clear as day. If you can't see it, it's because you don't want to see it.

 

Oh, and I have no idea who did the survey for VE, or how much CO2 might be emitted from the eroded peat. Did it not say in the EIA?

Yes but surely these roads were for the horse and kert and not designed for the transportation of these modern day monstrosities. Na na ! hoosin is richt hit'l be some slester fae day wan !

No, I'm talking about the roads that were built in the seventies and since, Roads like this:

 

http://www.multimap.com/maps/?mapType=aerial&zoom=15&countryCode=&lat=%2060.6033&lon=-0.874167#map=60.63351,-1.06138|15|8&bd=useful_information

 

Again, zoom in for a closer look. That road doesn't "skirt the hill". It cuts directly through the hill for several miles and there is no damage to the peat on either side of the road. There are examples of roads like this all over Shetland, and nowhere is there any evidence of the peat being damaged up to 100 metres either side of the road as the "sustainable" Shetland hypocrites claim will happen with the VE roads.

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there just plain is , the kemms, sker quilse, and Voe loch etc etc, out in the real world things happen theres no huge "hoo haa" made about it , no like the gowling about this windmills, if they are going to howl in protest then whinge it should be in Unst, is yet another of these things thats over scutinised til the moment of opporunity has been n gone, either do it or no do it, the battle of pleepsing is kinda goin on a bit long

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There are examples of roads like this all over Shetland, and nowhere is there any evidence of the peat being damaged up to 100 metres either side of the road as the "sustainable" Shetland hypocrites claim will happen with the VE roads.

 

Erm, what about the Scousburgh hill, what was the cause of the large area of peat degradation directly below the former aerial construction area on the east facing slopes again? :?

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There are examples of roads like this all over Shetland, and nowhere is there any evidence of the peat being damaged up to 100 metres either side of the road as the "sustainable" Shetland hypocrites claim will happen with the VE roads.

 

Erm, what about the Scousburgh hill, what was the cause of the large area of peat degradation directly below the former aerial construction area on the east facing slopes again? :?

Any chance of finding this on the aerial photo site linked to above so I can have a look?

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i tryied posting the url but for some reason it won't let me

 

it does look pretty much down to the track. but there looks to be lots of smaller slides on the surrounding slopes. we can only hope that they have a lot better building skills now. however having a second look there seems to be lots of ditchs leading away from the platform and road. the slips seem to tie up with them.

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Erm, what about the Scousburgh hill, what was the cause of the large area of peat degradation directly below the former aerial construction area on the east facing slopes again? :?

This? http://www.multimap.com/s/ibJCu7ew

I'd be interested in any local info on causes / timing too. Some of the area is obviously close to the old MOD site, and some of it is not.....

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Erm, what about the Scousburgh hill, what was the cause of the large area of peat degradation directly below the former aerial construction area on the east facing slopes again? :?

This? http://www.multimap.com/s/ibJCu7ew

I'd be interested in any local info on causes / timing too. Some of the area is obviously close to the old MOD site, and some of it is not.....

Thanks, Carlos. A good look at the area shows that the erosion is not in fact directly below the former dish installation but north of it.

 

As it happens, I was up there with my camera a couple of weeks ago looking at the same thing and I noticed something else. Check this bit of erosion out:

 

http://www.multimap.com/maps/?mapType=aerial&zoom=15&countryCode=&lat=%2060.6033&lon=-0.874167#map=59.95053,-1.30493|19|32&bd=useful_information

 

Now, what you can't see on the aerial view is the fence line, but I got a picture of it here:

 

http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r60/ArabiaTerra/Hills%20and%20roads/2009_07300015.jpg

 

And here (Look for the straight line running up the shoulder of the hill):

 

http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r60/ArabiaTerra/Hills%20and%20roads/2009_07300009-1.jpg

 

The thing is, the large part of the erosion stops dead at the fence line, which suggests to me that the erosion is caused by overgrazing, rather than having anything to do with the construction on top of the hill.

 

Here again you can see that the erosion covers the top of the hill to the north of the installation:

 

http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r60/ArabiaTerra/Hills%20and%20roads/2009_07300033.jpg

 

And you can also see that the land inside the fence is in much better condition than that outside the fence, again suggesting that overgrazing is the cause of the erosion, rather than it having anything to do with the buildings themselves.

 

This picture (below) is looking north on the other side of the hill, and again you can see the erosion starts outside the fence and continues north, while the ground inside the fence, again looks to be in much better condition.

 

http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r60/ArabiaTerra/Hills%20and%20roads/2009_07300030.jpg

 

Overall, it seems to me that the fact that this erosion has happened on a hill with buildings and roads on it is coincidental, especially when you find similar types of erosion on hills with no buildings or roads on them and hills with buildings and roads on them with no erosion nearby in other parts of Shetland. The case for the building and roads having caused the erosion looks pretty slim to me. :wink:

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Yep, delled a lot o paet oot o Scousburgh Hill wi my Dad back in da fifties & sixties so haad my haands up !

Thenadays Virdifield ( at foot of hill ) was full up with no further banks available.

I think the erosion is down to peat cutting back over the centuries ( remember this was practically the only source of fuel for the whole Ness area from here and south. )

We cut our peats up where BTI stuck there trans horizon dishes, not much erosion up there but don't think there's been much change over the years on the lower eastern slopes.

Still think absoloute lunacy for VE to go ahead with this among all this peat when plenty of alternative sites.

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is there windmills goin up dare too? Am biding in the area where the windmills are supposed to be, and am no against it at all, trying to do something is surely the better of the evils, but definately theres more suitable and cheaper hard hills for building roads and bases for windmills on, ones that can be returned to a similar state if it should ever be scrapped. If they put them here,fine , but if theres areas better n needin more jobs then better. My only gripe personally is financing of it, i dont see why the trusts should be a target for huge utility providers

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BT, not VE certainly haed plans :- http://www.naturalchoices.co.uk/BT-announces-L250-million?id_mot=2

but last I heard they had died a death.

I think the point VE keeps makin is that if they dunna go ahead and use wir money in da process then the big utilities will go ahead onywye and we will get nae benefits at all. Dat's whit dey whit lik wiz poor peasants tae tink !

I dunna hae a problem wi wind turbines idder, hit's da sheer physical size o dem plus da engineering task o getting dem on site among aa dis paet dat budders me.

Funny da Nort Isles fok were niver asked whit dir tochts wir on dis ! As I said afore, yon's whar dey should hiv been pittin up masts for test wind speeds !

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