Shetland windfarm - Viking Energy

[Guest Anonymous]

Reading through the recent comments here, one thing jumped to mind...

 

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin%27s_law

 

 

 

 

 

sad it reached this stage!

 

when AT is involved in a discussion it ussually reaches that stage much sooner, while I reffered to him as a nazi it was very much tongue in cheek AT has called folks on here a nazi time and time again.

funny how the mods don't seem to delete his posts where he gets personally offensive, which he tends to do quite a lot

[Kevin]

Ower 5 weeks without a post! - Amazin!

 

See the article below for an excellent article by Allen Fraser explaining one of my main points of opposition to Viking Energy's project

 

http://www.shetland-news.co.uk/opinion/Opinion%20Pull%20the%20plug%20on%20Viking%20now.htm

[Gorgonzola Butt-cheese]

http://www.ukip.org/content/latest-news/1887-wind-farm-exercise-in-dishonesty

 

 

There are tens of thousands of windmills all over the world now.

 

But are less fossil fuels being consumed?

[crofter-amy]

http://www.ukip.org/content/latest-news/1887-wind-farm-exercise-in-dishonesty

 

 

There are tens of thousands of windmills all over the world now.

 

But are less fossil fuels being consumed?

I seriously doubt it since there are also many more people with much more stuff now

[Lexander]

First of all I am not ageinst windfarms they are not as ugley as pepole say they are and what are our options, more nuclear power? No thank you.

But I do belive the plan to put such a big windfarm on Shetland is crazy is to big.

And I allso don't like it thath a corperate company will owen 50% of it thath means 50% of the profit will not go to Shetland.

I wish thath they scale down the windfarm and thath the Viking energy becoume a comunity owned company so thath pepole living in Shetland and companys in Shetland are giving a quote of free energy. And thath the rest is sold to cover the cost and thath any profits are 50% reinvested in building windfarms other places and building wawefarms. And thath the other 50% og profits go to the Shetland comunity and thath the pepole living there can vote on what they want to spend it on.

 

A windfarm should be for the benefit of the pepole in Shetland and not some big company in scotland or elsewhere in europe.

[Skunnered]

^^Windmills are not an alternative to nuclear. They are supplementary.

[Girzie]

Is the "site of natural wonder and beauty" that shetland peat is referring to Da Lang Kames????????

[ArabiaTerra]

First of all I am not against windfarms they are not as ugly as people say they are and what are our options, more nuclear power? No thank you.

But I do believe the plan to put such a big windfarm on Shetland is crazy is to big.

And I also don't like it that a corporate company will own 50% of it that means 50% of the profit will not go to Shetland.

I wish that they scale down the windfarm and that the Viking energy become a community owned company so that people living in Shetland and company's in Shetland are giving a quote of free energy. And that the rest is sold to cover the cost and that any profits are 50% reinvested in building windfarms other places and building wavefarms. And that the other 50% og profits go to the Shetland community and that the people living there can vote on what they want to spend it on.

 

A windfarm should be for the benefit of the people in Shetland and not some big company in Scotland or elsewhere in Europe. (corrected for spelling)

The problem is that we can't export any of the power without a connection to the national grid, and the cost of the interconnector is such that a large windfarm is needed to make it financially viable.

[ArabiaTerra]

Ower 5 weeks without a post! - Amazin!

 

See the article below for an excellent article by Allen Fraser explaining one of my main points of opposition to Viking Energy's project

 

http://www.shetland-news.co.uk/opinion/Opinion%20Pull%20the%20plug%20on%20Viking%20now.htm

And an excellent rebuttal to the article:

 

http://www.shetland-news.co.uk/2010/September/letters/No%20mention%20of%20Climate%20Change.htm

 

The fact is, all the roads bulldozed through peat all over Shetland in the last hundred years or so have not caused catastrophic landslides anywhere, whereas the torrential bursts of rain predicted by climate scientists have. It is climate change which poses the danger to Shetland's peat land, not roads or windmills.

[Ghostrider]

^^ The rebuttal is as flawed as the original allegations. They're both right, and they're both wrong, as they both fail to mention the same relevant fact.

 

Yes, many hilltops where the turbines will be sited and the roads end up, as Laughton rightfully says, are already areas of degraded moor and will be little affected by Viking. However, Viking have to get up there from where the roads currently are, and to do so they are cutting through moor that is both steep, and in the majority of places undegraded. Which is where Allan's points come in to play.

 

For a lot of the sites and for where a lot of the roads end up, very little stands to be lost over the present, it is the necessary damage that will have to be done to get up and down to the tops of the hills that is the issue. Much of it steep, some of it very steep, and most of it undegraded moor. There will be slippages there when parts of the natural anchoring system is degraded, and/or its loading increased, gravity will ensure that there are.

 

Laughton is completely wrong on one point though, moor is most definitely inherently unstable. It is always on the move, just like everything else from the affects of gravity. Had he placed a marker in the ground 25 years ago where there was several feet of moor on a gentle slope, and taken an exact fix, then gone back now and taken another exact fix, I'd put money on the fact that marker would be approx 15 - 45 cm downhill of the point it was at 25 years earlier. Yes, its is very slow moving, but like surface tension on water, when it has eventually moved so far that enough of it has passed a certain point where the underlying terrain has a change in it that affects its holding abilities on the moor, it will take off in a slippage naturally, just like coffee down the side of a mug when one drop of milk too many is put in it. Cutting channels through, or laying strips of other material through blanket moor will inevitably have a knock on effect of that process. In some cases it may be positive, but by the law of averages, in some places it will also be negative.

[shetlandpeat]

High cost of offshore wind deployment can come down, says UK Energy Research Centre, but boosting home-grown industry is vital.

 

http://www.ukerc.ac.uk/support/tiki-read_article.php?articleId=613

[Henry]

Do you remember when Sullom Voe and oil was first mentioned and the opposition to that? And the ugliness of the fishfarms and subsequent rubbish/detritus lying along the shores? This will be much the same - except it will benefit the majority instead of the few....

[shetlandpeat]

I agree with that.

 

Do you remember when Sullom Voe and oil was first mentioned and the opposition to that? And the ugliness of the fishfarms and subsequent rubbish/detritus lying along the shores? This will be much the same - except it will benefit the majority instead of the few....

[Gorgonzola Butt-cheese]

Amazing.... Henry and shetland peat you are living in a complete fantasy land.

Benefit the majority instead of the few?????

[KTL]

All the numbers indicate the majority of people do not want the Viking Energy wind farm to go ahead.

 

The SIC organised meetings averaged 75% opposition.

 

The original Viking Energy planning application resulted in 2026 objections and just 518 in support.

 

The Viking Energy planning addendum may be released tomorrow. As it stands people would have just 28 days to submit objections. Technically the original objections still count as raw numbers, but if folk objected before, it would be a good idea to also submit a new objection just to make sure.