Shetland windfarm - Viking Energy

[unlinkedstudent]

^^ The blot on the landscape remains at 100%. Being ripped off still remains at 100%.

 

How much income it will generate still remains at 100% pie in the sky!

[Njugle]

 

Njugle, I'm only aware of one tidal prototype currently operating which can raise itself out of the water. This is the one they are testing in Strandford Lough (spelling?) in Northern Ireland and this unit is only designed for relatively shallow water. The 1MW unit that's being deployed in the Pentland Firth has no such mechanism or topside access and so will require divers or a crane barge to do any maintenance work on it.

Interestingly, there was a prototype fabricated by a local engineering firm here in Shetland that was topside maintained, for another example, and I don't see why you have a problem with conceptual drawings.

probably ... I imagine wave and offshore wind would be just as labour intensive.

And then more speculation!

Can you think of any way that offshore wind and wave power maintenance could be less labour intensive than two guys in a van? At the very least you will need a boat and crew to get your two men to the machine to work on it.

A boat and a crew? - Well that's two men in a boat then, as is the accepted norm around here. There are maintenance engineers who can drive workboats you know.

Hence, no additional cost. In fact it may work out cheaper.

 

As for the rest, you want references:

 

 

Sorry, no , I didn't want references for the AGW stuff, I wanted references for all the supposition you were making in the texts above that line, about jobs created and things you "imagined".

[MuckleJoannie]

^^ The blot on the landscape remains at 100%. Being ripped off still remains at 100%.

 

How much income it will generate still remains at 100% pie in the sky!

 

From this news story

 

http://www.shetland-news.co.uk/2010/September/news/Viking%20say%20this%20is%20as%20good%20as%20it%20gets.htm

 

But those potential investors, especially the banks from whom Shetland Charitable Trust will be borrowing their 45 per cent of the construction cost, are hungry to get involved in what is seen as a “no brainer†as far as fat profits are concerned.

[Gorgonzola Butt-cheese]

From shetland news -

output is down from 540MW to 457. The cost has also been reduced from £800 million to £685 million, but the income remains the same.

 

My Question-

How do you reduce electricity generation by 83 MW yet still get the same income?

[EM]

My Question-

How do you reduce electricity generation by 83 MW yet still get the same income?

According to the Shetland Times report:

Although the power output has gone down from 540MW to 457MW, the estimated profit to Shetland Charitable Trust remains at around £23 million a year, partly due to the rise in energy prices and the project’s capital cost falling from £800 million to £685 million.

[Muppet]

I'm just going by my ever less to be trusted memory here, but the carbon payback time was originally put at someting like 15 years to 40 odd years (or arguably never) was it not?

 

It now under a year! Were they plucking numbers out of thin air before, or are they doing that now?

 

They have gone from one gobsmackingly unbelieveable figure to the opposite end of the spectrum in one stroke of the pen.

[sjeunson]

I'm just going by my ever less to be trusted memory here, but the carbon payback time was originally put at someting like 15 years to 40 odd years (or arguably never) was it not?

 

It now under a year! Were they plucking numbers out of thin air before, or are they doing that now?

 

They have gone from one gobsmackingly unbelieveable figure to the opposite end of the spectrum in one stroke of the pen.

 

They used a standard model before. This time they have surveyey the whole site and produced a method themselves. They've had this checked by the Macauley Institute and SEPA.

[Ichorus]

I'm just going by my ever less to be trusted memory here, but the carbon payback time was originally put at someting like 15 years to 40 odd years (or arguably never) was it not?

 

It now under a year! Were they plucking numbers out of thin air before, or are they doing that now?

 

They have gone from one gobsmackingly unbelieveable figure to the opposite end of the spectrum in one stroke of the pen.

 

They used a standard model before. This time they have surveyey the whole site and produced a method themselves. They've had this checked by the Macauley Institute and SEPA.

 

Have they not also based this on current sites like Whitelee of similar scale?

Or similar terrain like other Scottish Southern Energy Wind farms?

 

I think with the data available they could make a very accurate model.

[Dratsy]

Do you remember when Sullom Voe and oil was first mentioned and the opposition to that? And the ugliness of the fishfarms and subsequent rubbish/detritus lying along the shores? This will be much the same - except it will benefit the majority instead of the few....

 

We have seen in da paper today exactly who will benefit from this i cant believe everybody in shetland isn't demanding cheaper energy from the windfarm. More money in peoples pockets means more money to spend locally after all.

[Lexander]

Do you remember when Sullom Voe and oil was first mentioned and the opposition to that? And the ugliness of the fishfarms and subsequent rubbish/detritus lying along the shores? This will be much the same - except it will benefit the majority instead of the few....

 

We have seen in da paper today exactly who will benefit from this i cant believe everybody in shetland isn't demanding cheaper energy from the windfarm. More money in peoples pockets means more money to spend locally after all.

 

exacly there should be a Shetland tariff for houcehold and business thath would get more pepole to support the plans and maybe atract new business to move to shetland. With this windfarm and new fiberoptic cabel Shetland would be a great place for a computer server storage and it companys,

[Gorgonzola Butt-cheese]

Well said Dratsy, the whole thing stinks ! BIG TIME!!

3 things stand out very clear from today's Shetland Times.

 

1.) Whilst they maintain that they have reduced the number of turbines to reduce impact in various ways, at the same time they also admit their will be 143MW of spare capacity in this cable. Meaning we may very well see a "wind rush" with more turbine erected from scousburgh to unst!

 

2.) 22% of the estimated profits will go straight into the pockets of of the landowners involved, with a couple of hundred crofters recieving small lump sums averaging £13000 per year.

The Burradale 4 will recieve salaries of 650,000 a year each, a further 10%.

That's one third gone into the pockets of a few.

 

3.)This is the best part. The whole thing is subsidised by the so called national government !, who tell us several times a day they are skint! sorry not skint , hugely in debt ! They must be borrowing the money to pay for all this!

So that is what it is set up on, the hope that a bankrupt nation can keep borrowing the money for the next 25 years to subsidize an intermittant power supply.

[Guest posiedon]

Who gives a shi*te about a wind farm when

Mom Makes £77/Hr Online

All we need is a puter & broadband, all problems solved.

 

Some of the adds (scams) on here are well out of order.

[mogling]

Ach, they're determined to build this Interconnector {and windmills, initially} regardless o what folk think or want, so joost get on wi it!

 

I heard the 'Ker-ching' of £££-signs in folks' eyes this morning as thousands o glossy supplements dropped out the Shetland Times across the islands, and folk started fantasising about what all they could get/buy with the community profits?

 

 

I just wonder... what is going to be/ being offered as collateral against all the loans?

[Fjool]

Some of the adds (scams) on here are well out of order.

Er, yeah; they are. Sorry 'bout that. I'll need to prod someone.

 

Now, if each Shetlink member were to donate a pound each once in a while, we could have no adverts at all! Yay

[Gorgonzola Butt-cheese]

I mentioned before that the success of this project depends on subsidy.

 

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/comment/columnists/christopherbooker/8025148/The-Thanet-wind-farm-will-milk-us-of-billions.html

 

Now David Thompson did openly state that land based subsidy was considerably less than offshore as far as wind farms are concerned.

 

So I now have 3 questions.

 

1.)Should it not then be built offshore and should the interconnector cable instead run to Norway? as on route their are a myriad of potential wind farm sites and Norway has one of the best hydro-electric networks on the planet- surely the greener and more profitable option?

 

2.)Or should we just build enough to be self sufficient? With the subsidy and everybody paying their electric bill into a community pot, surely that would be a significant revenue stream remaining in shetland rather than heading out ?

 

3.) The glorious subsidy, what is the guarantees on this?Can it continue for 25 years?

 

 

Off course the subsidy only has to maintain for the first few years for the few to get stinking rich....

And we all know about this defunct economic system, the debt, the fragile recovery etc, etc.

 

Even after all there fact finding and number crunching it is still a very big pile of " if's, could's and maybe's"