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what oil sp? the several billion barrels (conservative estimate) still to be taken from the east shetland basin, west of shetland and, underneath shetland. thats what oil.

 

If it was so abundant why are folk not getting it already.

 

they are or have the last 40 years of oil exploration and production passed you by.

I'll let you all in on a little secret there will be rigs drilling within sight of land very soon and I'm not talking about the glow from the flare when well testing but you will be able to see the rigs and the boats clear as day.

And if it wasn't for udal law and the claims landowners will be able to make on any oil found then we would of had land rigs working here years ago.

if you have land with a udal title hold on to it as it is going to be worth a fortune.

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comrade brian accusing folks of contributing bizarre material, now that is bizarre. please enlighten us o great one why it is bizarre.

 

surely as one of the few remaining examples of a commy would we not be better moving you from the archives and making you an exhibit in the museum :)

 

forgive me bri I almost forgot to ask, hows you hero tommy s getting on with his trial. have they made a martyre of him yet :lol: :cry: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

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It seems to me that bobdahog might need a bit of the hairodadog.

He's just not feeling weel. :?:

And who is he to call Brian a 'Commie' as that's just plain rude.

Brian appears to be a person of 'left-wing persuasion' albeit any further leaning to the left, he may fall over. :)

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If the windfarm goes ahead it will have a negative effect on tourist numbers.Lets not leave the individuals who depend on tourism out on a limb.Shetland has a wealth of opportunities to counteract this negative impact.Outdoor pursuits are more popular than ever and we should try to develop an infrastructure and facilities for sea kayaking,trout fishing,sea fishing,cycling on and off road,coasteering,cliff climbing,walking,birdwatching etc,etc.It's easy to be negative about the windfarm or sit on our hands but finding ways of living with it or counteracting it's impact may be the only way forward.It seems the people who have to live with and look at it every day may have no choice whether it goes ahead or not.

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I had an interesting conversation with someone today and they mentioned something I hadn't even thought about in the whole windfarm debate.

 

Two years ago they had seen an article in Fishing News which suggested laying an energy cable from Shetland to London.

 

Now, what's the connection?. Well, as my friend pointed out the UK is facing an energy source crisis and will need nuclear and what's the furthest place from the "centres of population" in the UK?. Shetland.

 

So you see if they lay that big cable between Shetland and sooth the connection would be there and it would make Shetland an ideal place for a Nuclear Power Station.

 

As my friend also pointed out "what I'm worried about is the hidden agenda behind this windfarm". In other words, the above......

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If the windfarm goes ahead it will have a negative effect on tourist numbers.Lets not leave the individuals who depend on tourism out on a limb.Shetland has a wealth of opportunities to counteract this negative impact.Outdoor pursuits are more popular than ever and we should try to develop an infrastructure and facilities for sea kayaking,trout fishing,sea fishing,cycling on and off road,coasteering,cliff climbing,walking,birdwatching etc,etc.It's easy to be negative about the windfarm or sit on our hands but finding ways of living with it or counteracting it's impact may be the only way forward.It seems the people who have to live with and look at it every day may have no choice whether it goes ahead or not.

 

This is fine, but just one more thing that depends on Government subsidies. How many tourists fly to here, damn few last I paid attention. Why? The obvious one is cost. The boats are heavily subsidised by the Government or they'd be as bad for cost, and if they were, I daresay would be as little used by tourists.

 

Subsidies by their very nature can as easily disappear by one stroke of a civil servant's pen as they appeared by it, and the losers have little say in the matter. Not a good situation on which to invest in and build an industry.

 

The subsdies we currently enjoy may well vanish quick enough anyway knowing what governments are like, but if by some chance VE does not go ahead (and the liklihood that it will regardless of what anyone locally wants or does, given the political pressure higher up the parasite chain, is IMHO extremely high), our subsidies may just vanish all the faster as penance for not "toeing their line".

 

Shetland has come to rely far, far too heavily on crumbs from the chief parasites of the U.K's table. And as a result we now must either "do as we are told" and finance and put up with VE, and whatever other energy facilities may follow in its vanguard, or be all but abandoned with as few prospects and a similar lifestyle to that on the immediate post-war decades.

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Slightly off topic but replying to Ghostrider.If we had an organised system for outdoor activities I am sure that they would be willing to travel on the ferry as foot passengers either as individuals or groups.We already have numerous campsites,hostels and it would not take a fortune to provide hire bikes,kayaks,windsurfers,guides etc.If individuals did not take their own.I am sure some of the local clubs would be glad of a few extra pounds if they rented their own equipment out.I would not expect we would be building new facilities but making the most of what we have already. I am no expert in this field but as you said " Shetland has come to rely far, far too heavily on crumbs from the chief parasites of the U.K's table."One plus point from the windfarm,cyclists would have plenty of car free roads to train on.As I said in previous post Its easy to be negative and sit on our hands but if we think positive and get off our backsides to make the most out of what we have here.The outdoors is all around us.

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Firstly, thank you to Brian for this statement.

Is it paranoia on my part, or did Bobdahog formerly contribute equally bizarre material under another pen name?

About time somebody said it. :D

One plus point from the wind farm, cyclists would have plenty of car free roads to train on. As I said in previous post Its easy to be negative and sit on our hands but if we think positive and get off our backsides to make the most out of what we have here. The outdoors is all around us.

Very nice to see somebody looking for a positive, in the midst of what could potentially be a very negative situation.

It's going to happen, no matter how vocal folk get, so looking for positive points, and how to take advantage of those points, is now the only way forward.

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Kavi- I came to that very same conclusion after reading Mr Marchant's statement on the Shetland News... it's all about the Interconnector.

 

Someone suggested to me that SSE / whoever owns them now doesn't want to have to shell out to replace the Gremista power station, and they seemed quite determined to import power from whatever means from Shetland.

 

The capacity of the cable planned is greater than that to be produced by VE's windfarm, and SSE will want to maximise exports, and as was pointed out at Sustainable Shetland's AGM last week, Planning Permission for the cable & convertor station could open the gates to Shetland ending up covered in windmills...

 

As to which scenario would be worse; one nuclear power station, or hundreds of wind turbines scattered the length and breadth of wherever folks are willing to sell land, I don't know?

 

Of course there is always the possibility of tidal or wave power, but the development of efficient technology isn't exactly having money thrown at it?

 

 

Could we not just burn all the peat to power steam turbines? ;)

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So you see if they lay that big cable between Shetland and sooth the connection would be there and it would make Shetland an ideal place for a Nuclear Power Station.

 

As my friend also pointed out "what I'm worried about is the hidden agenda behind this windfarm". In other words, the above......

 

Kavi- I came to that very same conclusion after reading Mr Marchant's statement on the Shetland News... it's all about the Interconnector.

 

The proposed Interconnector is 650MW. VE will use up to 450-odd, leaving around 150MW spare capacity.

 

The smallest modern commercial nuclear power stations are around 1GW, that's 1000MW. There is no spare capacity on this cable for a nuclear station, so that's one consideration you can stop worrying about.

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