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Do obviously doesna bide wast ower!

but kevin when looking down on aith you can count 6 medium turbines around aith. are they not spoiling the unspoilt views over aith. lets not forget all the low flying wimbles they will mince.

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The Trouble with Wimbles. (Trekie fans will see that one)

 

It sounds like the whole area is going to be littered with bird remains. Gulls and rooks, clever enough to feast on the easily digestible remains without them selves being minced by the single swoop of a rotor.

 

More Wimbles, More Trouble.

 

How many birds are really killed by turbines, the R.S.P.B. do not list the turbines as being a major killer, more the way we farm the land and pollution.

If folk are really worried about birds, perhaps there are many counter measures we can take in out daily lives.

 

Trials and Wibble-ations

 

Odd, how many are happy to see the destruction of some sea birds, which are protected.

 

The R.S.P.B. site suggests that planners and developers work together with the R.S.P.B. to minimise (not always to eradicate) any harm to the wildlife with a disruption with their habitat and ensuring that developments are not sited on migration routes.

 

A search HERE will highlight what does seem to be the major killer of birds, that is the fishing industry. Destruction of the Albatross by long line fishing and the many, many birds caught in nets.

With regards to wind farm deaths, one citation of a very poor development on the E.U. mainland.

The R.S.P.B. have taken a mature approach to Wind farm developments, there are also many other by-laws in force locally throughout the country to safeguard wildlife stocks.

If you are so worried about bird deaths, campaign for better fishing regulations to prevent more. Of course you will not, fishing is a way of life, killing birds to obtain fish is part an parcel of gaining an income. We want more fishing, I hear some say, therefore, more birds will be lost.

Now, how many birds are killed by wind farms in comparison, keep in mind that the R.S.P.B. are in favour of reducing our carbon output as well as the chemicals you spray on your gardens and fields (which kill off many blackbirds).

Many birds and other creatures have been killed or displaced with the oil industry, another local industry Shetland has learned to live off. Shetland now seems to have a history of the destruction of wildlife and habitats.

Now you want to kill fish, with underwater tidal generators, I wonder if the pressure waves would rupture swim bladders as the poor fish swim past the blades. As well as the many other creatures that use the tides to get around.

 

Sorry for the Star Trek based titles. (Not really)

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A very sad and sobering first-hand account......

 

http://betterplan.squarespace.com/wisconsin-farmer-regrets-sayin

 

A lesson there as well, make sure you know what you are signing for. Useful advice as well, but they do not want to stop the sighting, just make sure it is to their needs.

 

It seems that any new project can contain pit falls, there were many concerns about oil coming to Shetland, eventually, you clothed yourselves with it.

 

It does seem as well that the farmer did this over a few months or a couple of years. Very little consultation and with profit in mind, as well as a peace of mind. the V.E. project has been discussed for many many years, and the process will still take some time. It will not be comparable to the story shown really.

 

I am sure you have all joined the committee process as interested parties and will ensure that the outcome, will be the best. You are all Stakeholders.

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A search HERE will highlight what does seem to be the major killer of birds, that is the fishing industry. Destruction of the Albatross by long line fishing and the many, many birds caught in nets.

 

Not relevent to Shetland, peat I spent a year making a living at the fishing and can count using my thumbs only the number of birds killed in that year.

I have also spent years using gill nets to catch fish for fun and have never seen a bird killed by that method.

 

As ever you don't seem able to understand what is writen then regurgitate it in a form that nobody else can understand.

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By far and away the best way to protect birds is to shoot a cat a day

 

Or you could give up the car and demolish your house.

 

Given the latter 2 options are impractical, the mog is in the firing line.

 

Percentage causes of anthropogenic bird death

Buildings 58.2%

power lines 13.7%

cats 10.6%

wind turbines <0.01%

http://studentaffairs.case.edu/farm/doc/birdmortality.pdf

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As ever you don't seem able to understand what is writen then regurgitate it in a form that nobody else can understand.

 

I can imagine you enjoying killing fish for fun..maybe not.

 

Quite a deduction, a whole year, you must be ooozing knowledge. The fishing industry kills far more birds than wind farms, why you think that if you have only seen a thumb full it is representative of the whole fishing industry in Shetland. A bit anal that. You have accused those who use the internet to find out stuff as time wasters, yet there you are on holiday, still posting here.

It seems you direct those comments at folk who go against your thinking and not say, Kavi who introduced us to the farmers in America, only possible by the internet.

 

According to the "timewaster" Derick the document he introduced to us http://studentaffairs.case.edu/farm/doc/birdmortality.pdf also shows that the oil industry is responsible for many bird deaths. As the problem of climate change is a global one, your experiences with the crab line are not really a big part of it. Now, I would understand if the bird being minced up were very rare. It seems not.

Dericks document he introduced also told us that farming kills many more birds. Also communications networks, power networks and the humble guy wire kills far more.

 

 

Remembering that you have supported Friends of the Earth, here is a link to what they think.

 

http://www.foe.co.uk/resource/factsheets/wind_power_your_questions.pdf

 

Don't read it though, otherwise you will be a time waster.

 

The oil industry are also looking at renewables, some forward thinking by the roughnecks? More the continuing of their profit making. As it seems they are all about profit, as are the power generators.

 

Enjoy your holiday, we are.

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Enjoy your holiday, we are.

:wink:

 

We are? Dratsy, have a splendid time.

 

Moi, on the other hand, ShetlandPeat, look forward to your holiday - not going to be studying the English Language by any chance, are you? :wink:

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So 5 minutes on the internet is better than a year at the fishing for gaining knowledge of the industry, by god peat you really are dumber than I thought and that is saying something.

I'm not on holiday but at work even though i have spent a few days sightseeing, for which I got paid more than you will earn in the next month.

The oil industry kills birds well I never would of imagined that you really are the fountain of wisdom :roll:

I might sign anything when I'm drunk. :lol:

Oh yeah I will be sightseeing again in a week or so which I will also get paid shed loads for, and the time will be spent learning more about the culture and people of China than I could ever hope to learn on the internet or you could ever learn full stop.

And yes i'm loving every minute of it even the inconvenient bit where I'm on the rig. :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

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The fishing industry kills far more birds than wind farms, why you think that if you have only seen a thumb full it is representative of the whole fishing industry in Shetland. A bit anal that.

 

OK Peat, I'll bite. Which fishing methods used by Shetland fishing boats kill birds? I can only think of one type of fishery off the Shetland coast which has got the potential to do so, and that is mostly carried out by boats from elsewhere. I suppose the odd scarf could also find its way into a creel and drown, but let's hear your list.

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Any fishing that involves nets or bait. No need to list really. I don't know if fishermen are to report by-catch and if when they are thousands of miles away, anyone will check. It happens.

 

The comments still were about the fishing industry. The follow on comments were about how one years fishing constitutes the depth of knowledge of the fishing industry. It cannot really be a rule of thumb.

 

I have seen the remains of birds entwined in discarded/lost nets along the beaches when on holiday/visits.

 

The levels of by-catch could be far more than is ever reported with the landings of black fish, not something you would report while catching more than your quota.

 

To get back on the topic, there are far more perils birds have to cope with than a wind farm. So the bird issue is a non starter when it comes to wind farms. The planning part should cover that with your elected representatives. This will need to be water tight, planning appeals can cost councils 6 figure sums.

 

I have booked my holidays for those of you who may have an interest, see you soon.

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ok we now know that tiddles is more of a bird killer than a turbine. and cars kill the odd gull and other birds. does it need to revert to name calling over this issue. please can we have a reasonned ebate just once.

 

its too important to bicker about. either for or against it will effect our future just as much as the oil did in the 1980s.

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