General Election 2019

[Capeesh]

 

 

 

 

The SNP has always and still do define independance as independant from the UK *and* the EU.

 

No they don't, they've been promoting "Independence in Europe" since the mid 80's

Just because you think it and say it doesn’t make it true, perhaps you could back this statement up with some evidence

 

The European Parliament Committee on Constitutional Affairs did a report on it here's some quotes...

 

"There now seems to be a consensus that, were Scotland to become independent by legal means, it could join the Union."

 

"There seems no basis in EU law for the assertion that membership would be impossible, as Scotland meets the criteria and not since de Gaulle’s veto on UK membership in the 1960s has a democratic country respecting the rule of law been refused admission."

 

"No member state suggested that it would veto Scotland’s membership and none has done so since."

 

"Some opponents of independence have said that Scotland would have to join a ‘queue’ behind the Balkan countries. EU accession has never worked on the basis of a queue. Applicants are accepted when they are ready, not on the basis of when they applied."

Capeesh,  This is just "waffle" as we all KNOW that Scotland could join the EU.  What Scotland CANNOT do at the moment (as others have pointed out repeatedly) is QUALIFY for membership as our economy just doesn't match the standards required.

 

IMHO, it would take many years of really painful "austerity" just to get Scotland close to qualifying.  The SNP might be wanting to have their cake and eat it but, I think that they would choke on the first mouthful.

What you and others have (mistakenly) repeatedly pointed out is the criteria for joining the Euro (currency).

The criteria for joining the EU is completely different it's called the Copenhagen Criteria, Scotland ticks every single box and more because as existing members Scotland also has complete alignment with EU laws (acquis communitaire), that's why the EU themselves have said "Scotland meets the criteria"

To make things absolutely crystal clear there are currently 9 member countries in the EU right now who haven't adopted the Euro.

[George.]

Why stand for election to a Parliament in another country, when you respect neither.

 

Since 1707 the foreigners, thanks to James VI, have stripped us bare. We have to fight back, but perhaps not for much longer.

 

IMHO, anyway.

Edited November 22, 2019 by George.

[Wheelsup]

God help the witless and the waylaid

[Urabug]

Watched our political leaders on BBC1 last night ,and Nicola Sturgeon said "Politicians have the right to change their minds " so there we have it,just as many of us have already said it is perfectly ok to make promises and then change their minds.

 

Basically it is ok for a politician to tell lies, well so the SNP would appear to say. 

[George.]

^Watched our political leaders on BBC1 last night ,and Nicola Sturgeon said "Politicians have the right to change their minds", however it does bring to mind the fact that Alisdair Carmichael stated, after the wee lying problem, that he would be out of politics - and would never be back. Of course, he's trying for a wee vote again, regardless of the statement he made.

[Muckle Oxters]

Watched our political leaders on BBC1 last night ,and Nicola Sturgeon said "Politicians have the right to change their minds " so there we have it,just as many of us have already said it is perfectly ok to make promises and then change their minds.

 

Basically it is ok for a politician to tell lies, well so the SNP would appear to say. 

 

Dat's some brawly flawed logic. Changing yur mind and telling a lie are hardly da same thing.

Edited November 23, 2019 by Muckle Oxters

[Suffererof1crankymofo]

What you and others have (mistakenly) repeatedly pointed out is the criteria for joining the Euro (currency).

The criteria for joining the EU is completely different it's called the Copenhagen Criteria, Scotland ticks every single box and more because as existing members Scotland also has complete alignment with EU laws (acquis communitaire), that's why the EU themselves have said "Scotland meets the criteria"

To make things absolutely crystal clear there are currently 9 member countries in the EU right now who haven't adopted the Euro.

 

Capeesh, you are incorrect.  

 

https://ec.europa.eu/neighbourhood-enlargement/policy/conditions-membership_en

[Capeesh]

 

 

 

What you and others have (mistakenly) repeatedly pointed out is the criteria for joining the Euro (currency).

The criteria for joining the EU is completely different it's called the Copenhagen Criteria, Scotland ticks every single box and more because as existing members Scotland also has complete alignment with EU laws (acquis communitaire), that's why the EU themselves have said "Scotland meets the criteria"

To make things absolutely crystal clear there are currently 9 member countries in the EU right now who haven't adopted the Euro.

 

Capeesh, you are incorrect.

 

https://ec.europa.eu/neighbourhood-enlargement/policy/conditions-membership_en

Eh?

The link confirms everything I've said and proves the European Parliament Committee on Constitutional Affairs (slightly more qualified than myself and any other random people on the internet) are correct to say...

"Scotland meets the criteria [for EU membership]"

And

"There now seems to be a consensus that, were Scotland to become independent by legal means, it could join the Union."

I'm glad you posted it.

Edited November 23, 2019 by Capeesh

[Suffererof1crankymofo]

Capeesh, it does NOT state "Scotland meets the criteria".  Do you even know what it means when you put something in quotation marks?  It means you are giving a direct quote as I've demonstrated below.  
 

"The first step is for the country to meet the key criteria for accession. These were mainly defined at the European Council in Copenhagen in 1993 and are hence referred to as 'Copenhagen criteria'. Countries wishing to join need to have:

• stable institutions guaranteeing democracy, the rule of law, human rights and respect for and protection of minorities;
• a functioning market economy and the capacity to cope with competition and market forces in the EU;
• the ability to take on and implement effectively the obligations of membership, including adherence to the aims of political, economic and monetary union."

 

Clock "monetary union".  That means joining the Euro.
 

[Capeesh]

The quotes I gave are from a report from the European Committee on Constitutional Affairs specifically giving their opinion on an independent Scotland joining the EU.

Are they wrong too?

As for monetary union there are 9 countries in the EU who don't use the Euro as we speak only 2 of them have opt outs.

Here's another quote from European Commission president Jean-Claude Juncker who said in 2017: “I don't intend to force countries to join the euro if they are not willing or not able to do so”.

Edited November 23, 2019 by Capeesh

[Colin]

 

the ability to take on and implement effectively the obligations of membership, including adherence to the aims of political, economic and monetary union."

 

Clock "monetary union".  That means joining the Euro.

 

Also clock "political and economic".   Does this mean that EU intends to (eventually) govern(?) all member "states" and set taxes ?

[Colin]

 European Commission president Jean-Claude Juncker who said in 2017: “I don't intend to force countries to join the euro if they are not willing or not able to do so”.

Hints at a little bit of "dictatorship" there.  Junker doesn't intend to "force" anybody but, what about his successors ?

[Urabug]

 

Watched our political leaders on BBC1 last night ,and Nicola Sturgeon said "Politicians have the right to change their minds " so there we have it,just as many of us have already said it is perfectly ok to make promises and then change their minds.

 

Basically it is ok for a politician to tell lies, well so the SNP would appear to say. 

 

Dat's some brawly flawed logic. Changing yur mind and telling a lie are hardly da same thing.

 

Sorry but if a party issues a manifesto, then changes their minds as they go along that is misleading the public  and if that not a lie what is.

 

That is why our MPs are nearly always called liars because they seldom keep the promises that they make in their manifestos.

 

If I make a public statement that I am going to paint my house red,then paint it yellow I've told a lie.

[Suffererof1crankymofo]

Capeesh, there is at least one member of the EU not in the Euro; namely the UK.  There are others who aren't in the Euro.  Is it not the case that any new members would have to join the Euro because there were several press reports with EU representatives stating that all new members would be expected to join.  In addiion, Sturgeon got the cold shoulder from the EU when she wasted money going over there trying to get EU folk to listen to her.

 

JCJ knew full well that of course they wouldn't force countries to join the Euro, with the upshot being that they couldn't join the EU.

[Urabug]

Copied of the web:-

 

All EU members which have joined the bloc since the signing of the Maastricht treaty in 1992 are legally obliged to adopt the euro once they meet the criteria, since the terms of their accession treaties make the provisions on the euro binding on them