Colin Posted June 23, 2020 Report Share Posted June 23, 2020 Maybe the SNP should rename itself as the "N" bit of it has echoes of a previous example of "National Socialism". Just saying... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NullVoid Posted June 23, 2020 Report Share Posted June 23, 2020 (edited) Black Lives Matter: Unquestioningly accepted and endorsed by PoliticiansWhite lives matter: Racist and "at Odds with values" and has Police investigation https://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2020/06/23/police-investigation-pilot-flew-white-lives-matter-banner-burnley/ [** mod edit - fullscreen emoji replaced - NullVoid, please cut back on the visual spam **] Edited June 23, 2020 by admin tarsus 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colin Posted June 23, 2020 Report Share Posted June 23, 2020 You can only protest(?) if the current agenda is permits it... Get with the program.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tarsus Posted June 23, 2020 Report Share Posted June 23, 2020 Black Lives Matter: Unquestioningly accepted and endorsed by Politicians White lives matter: Racist and "at Odds with values" and has Police investigation https://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2020/06/23/police-investigation-pilot-flew-white-lives-matter-banner-burnley/ [** mod edit - fullscreen emoji replaced - NullVoid, please cut back on the visual spam **]He has a point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Davie P Posted June 23, 2020 Popular Post Report Share Posted June 23, 2020 Yes, 'he has a point' if you think that a far right group flying a banner as a countermeasure to an equalities campaign is a good thing. To add to the 'point', it was flown during a brief anti-racism protest over a stadium hosting a sport which has been blighted with endemic racism. Folk might think that 'White lives matter' is just an innocent phrase used as a reminder that white lives do indeed matter, as do all lives, but like it or not the phrase has been adopted by the far right and has a context beyond just the semantics of the actual words. If folk don't want to be associated with that ideology, then best not use the phraseology. There are many ways to express support for equality but using 'white' or 'all' 'lives matter' is obviously an objection to the 'black lives matter' movement. However, if folk want to add far right underpinnings to what they're posting, then go ahead. It would be a helpful time saver if folk would just admit to being racist and give up with the 'yes, but, whatabout....' farting around. XAM7102, Roachmill, Capeesh and 1 other 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Capeesh Posted June 23, 2020 Report Share Posted June 23, 2020 (edited) BLM campaigners and supporters have never said that white lives do not matter or that black lives matter more than others, rather they say the issue is that black lives “have not mattered”.Simple message.Who on earth protests against people who are against racism anyway?Could they possibly be knuckle dragging racists?"Counter protestors" makes them sound as if they have a valid thing to protest against. Edited June 23, 2020 by Capeesh Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colin Posted June 23, 2020 Report Share Posted June 23, 2020 @Davie P Whatever happened to "freedom of speech" and the "right to protest" ? Flying a banner over a football match was a bit crass but, afaik, was not "illegal", just at odds with the current narrative. No doubt that police will try and pin a "hate speech" charge on the perps. Personally, I do not care if someone is black, white, brown, red, yellow, pink, green or blue (or any other colour you care to put in the mix). I think that ALL lives matter. By definition, you are claiming that the phrase "Black Lives Matter" has been allocated(?) to a particular group/ideology and that any reference to All, White (or any other colour) in a similar context is somehow "racist" if it is deemed to have a different view. Easy to "play the race card" isn't it? I would suggest that singling out a particular group for your "support" would be more likely to make you part of the problem, not the solution. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davie P Posted June 23, 2020 Report Share Posted June 23, 2020 @Davie P Whatever happened to "freedom of speech" and the "right to protest" ? I believe absolutely in freedom of speech and the right to protest. As Voltaire is attributed as saying, “I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it.” By definition, you are claiming that the phrase "Black Lives Matter" has been allocated(?) to a particular group/ideology and that any reference to All, White (or any other colour) in a similar context is somehow "racist" if it is deemed to have a different view. Easy to "play the race card" isn't it? Yes I am indeed claiming that "Black Lives Matter" has been allocated(?) to a particular group/ideology". It is a well known global movement and as far as I'm aware, the "...lives matter" phrase was not commonly used in other contexts - until recently, and in response to BLM. And no I did not claim that anyone using "All, White (or any other colour)" is racist. I refer you to my previous post. In my experience, people using the "white lives matter" or "all lives matter" tend to be on the right of politics and use the phrase as an objection to BLM. It is absolutely their right to do so and to hold those views. It is the mock naïvety of folk bandying the phrases around and pretending they don't understand that the phrases have rightwing political and social overtones that I find tiresome. I'm sure there are people who don't know the context, but I suggest contributors to this forum are not among them. I would suggest that singling out a particular group for your "support" would be more likely to make you part of the problem, not the solution. If this is directed at me, I assure you I have singled out many groups for support over the years, generally because I feel those particular groups are treated unfairly. tirvaluk 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NullVoid Posted June 23, 2020 Report Share Posted June 23, 2020 Folk might think that 'White lives matter' is just an innocent phrase used as a reminder that white lives do indeed matter, as do all lives, but like it or not the phrase has been adopted by the far right and has a context beyond just the semantics of the actual words. If folk don't want to be associated with that ideology, then best not use the phraseology. There are many ways to express support for equality but using 'white' or 'all' 'lives matter' is obviously an objection to the 'black lives matter' movement. However, if folk want to add far right underpinnings to what they're posting, then go ahead. It would be a helpful time saver if folk would just admit to being racist and give up with the 'yes, but, whatabout....' farting around.Thats a selectively enforced rule, If we used this on the far left too you would have an argument.But this rule is only applied to one side of the aisle "If folk don't want to be associated with that ideology, then best not use the phraseology." Are we not suposed to say anything that is used in Center right - far right agitprop?So only Newspeak is acceptable!Would the Police be investigating it if it said Black lives matter Burnley? Do you think its OK for the authorities to dictate what political views are or aren't acceptable?I find that Double plus ungood for Peoplekind! Should they be banning the "Far right" right to free expression? Their plane their, money, their pilot! How do you feel about religious freedom of association? I advocate for the Abolition of religious freedom simply for accelerationisim, Churches, Mosques and temples spread Covid-19 and the vast majority of terrorism is done by either Marxists or those of the Abrahamic religions i think banning their places of worship in the same way we ban political groups is called for. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghostrider Posted June 23, 2020 Report Share Posted June 23, 2020 BLM campaigners and supporters have never said that white lives do not matter or that black lives matter more than others, rather they say the issue is that black lives “have not mattered”.Simple message.Who on earth protests against people who are against racism anyway?Could they possibly be knuckle dragging racists?"Counter protestors" makes them sound as if they have a valid thing to protest against.It may be a 'simple message', but their title/catchphrase/logo/whatever does not say 'Black lives have not mattered', it says 'Black Lives Matter', which something completely different and by definition discriminatory, as by identifying a particular sub group, it implies that they are somehow special/different/better/whatever than all other lives. *If* this movement had chosen to use 'Black lives have not mattered' as their moniker, rather than 'Black lives matter', they might well have been received very differently, as it would have been expressing an opinion/making a claim of discrimination, 'Black Lives Matter' is a statement. Equality is all anyone has the right to have, and although BLM claims to be fighting racism everything about their rhetoric and actions screams out racism. They've already circumvented the legitimate democratic process though mob rule, and gotten the wishy washy spineless politicians who would sell their own grandmother to any cause just to get votes on board, that's not equality, that's undemocratic dominance. I wouldn't know the extent or otherwise of discrimination against any minority in the US, its a foreign country after all, but I don't respond well to threats and violence, and that's all BLM have given anybody so far as far as it appears. *If* the greviances raised by BLM have any legitimacy there are already statutes etc designed to address such issues, let them use them, and if those statutes are inadequate, then the BLM should be lobbying politicians to either beef up those existing statutes or introduce new ones more fit for purpose. Anything else is an illegitimate dominance by a minority imposing their will upon the majority and destroying democracy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davie P Posted June 23, 2020 Report Share Posted June 23, 2020 Are we not suposed to say anything that is used in Center right - far right agitprop?Say what you want. Would the Police be investigating it if it said Black lives matter Burnley?No Do you think its OK for the authorities to dictate what political views are or aren't acceptable?No Should they be banning the "Far right" right to free expression?No How do you feel about religious freedom of association?Relaxed Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davie P Posted June 23, 2020 Report Share Posted June 23, 2020 I don't respond well to threats and violence, and that's all BLM have given anybody so far as far as it appears. Nobody is denying there has been some elements of violence on both sides of the spectrum, but your sweeping claim that "threats and violence" is "all BLM have given anybody" is just overwrought nonsense and undermines the points you're trying to make. Did you feel threatened by peaceful protests in Shetland or elsewhere around the country, or by BLM supporters engaging in widespread debate, or making educational resources available? If folk feel threatened by that, I suggest they ask themselves why. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NullVoid Posted June 24, 2020 Report Share Posted June 24, 2020 (edited) Would the Police be investigating it if it said Black lives matter Burnley? No Do you think its OK for the authorities to dictate what political views are or aren't acceptable?No Should they be banning the "Far right" right to free expression?No The whole WLM and IOTBW thing is simple Agitprop to expose a double standard. There is a Left wing conspiracy theory that a bunch of mustache twirling villains called the "Far Right" are using this to take over the world but its necessary to understand that the objective is to provoke a questionable response from the left. You don't win elections by appealing to people who are hardwired to be left or right you do so by trying to win hearts and minds of those that can be swayed in one direction or the other. and the left is and its controlled media has been provoked into having a negative reaction thereby exposing the double standard. Similar Agitprop includes The OK hand sigh as a far right symbol and the Rainbow flag as a symbol of "separate but equal" with the objective of provoking their political opponents into embarrassing themselves. The fact of the matter is that the police are investigating this piece of Agitprop as a potential Crime,and if somebody had flown a message that had the opposite view it would not get such a reaction. We aren't debating if people are free to condemn or endorse them or not we are now debating the legality of dissenting views. Famous quote of relevance First they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out Because I was not a socialist. Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out Because I was not a trade unionist. Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out Because I was not a Jew. Then they came for me and there was no one left to speak for me. I have yet to see a single law being proposed to go after Communists or the far left in the present day UK but plenty or campaigns and laws directed towards the other side of the aisle. "Non-Crime hate incidents" are now a thing that you can get on a UK criminal record. once you start going after "Non-Crime" you have just given the state a Blank Cheque to go after anyone for any reason whatsoever. You may say "Fighting hate" is good, but what happens if the boot goes onto the other foot and the authorities start useing that Blank Cheque for something else? Edited June 24, 2020 by NullVoid Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Watter Posted June 24, 2020 Report Share Posted June 24, 2020 Jesus next ? https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/11937134/blm-activist-shaun-king-statues-jesus-torn-down/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bug Posted June 24, 2020 Report Share Posted June 24, 2020 (edited) Left Wing, Right Wing, Far Right Wing?????? - Get a grip folks - They are all Fockers Edited June 24, 2020 by bug Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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