Urabug Posted June 28, 2020 Report Share Posted June 28, 2020 https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-india-53202707 Well you cannot blame the white policeman for this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Watter Posted June 28, 2020 Report Share Posted June 28, 2020 Then they came for the Duke . https://www.rt.com/usa/493139-john-wayne-airport-rename/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davie P Posted June 28, 2020 Report Share Posted June 28, 2020 https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-india-53202707 Well you cannot blame the white policeman for this.It appears to be a case of dreadful police brutality but how do you think this is relevant to white police or BLM? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Urabug Posted June 28, 2020 Report Share Posted June 28, 2020 https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-india-53202707 Well you cannot blame the white policeman for this.It appears to be a case of dreadful police brutality but how do you think this is relevant to white police or BLM? You must be stupid if you cannot make a comparison. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davie P Posted June 28, 2020 Report Share Posted June 28, 2020 No need for insults Urabug. You posted a link to a story about police brutality in India. Police brutality is unfortunately all too common around the world. In this instance there doesn't appear to be any racial motivations or connotations. You posted the link is a discussion about BLM and mentioned 'white police'. I'm wondering why you see it as linked or relevant? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Watter Posted June 28, 2020 Report Share Posted June 28, 2020 Should the SIC fly the BLM flag as a symbol of solidarity as other councils have done ?. https://www.surreycomet.co.uk/news/18514655.council-raise-black-lives-matter-flag-kingston/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
George. Posted June 28, 2020 Report Share Posted June 28, 2020 ^Perhaps it was the only flag that the English could find to put up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NullVoid Posted June 28, 2020 Report Share Posted June 28, 2020 Do you expect us to know what a "Baizuo mindset" is? The article you linked to makes no mention of it It seems that you assume users on this forum are familiar with alt-right theories and phrases It laterally means White left and is of Chinese origin like Ketchup,Just like the word so i use it. Im not Alt right nor have i claimed to be that seems to be a meaningless attack word but there are 2 schools of thought that could be described as "Alt right" in my view politics and cults are of personal interest i recommend reading up on Aum Shinrikyo not its beliefs but how it had infiltrated government and police. You are using stereotypes, While the movement you associate with seems to believes that many of the woes Blacks faces are down to stereotypes and the competent/intelligent Blacks are held back as a result. Are you not committed to abolishing all stereotypes and changing your thinking or just what specific stereotypes are viewed as harmful?, as stereotypes have been part of the human experience for as long as we have been around. I see examples such as in the aforementioned article of people who judge the actions of their In group and out group differently. Now that guy who was held at gunpoint says he regrets reporting them to the police and will now stop pursuing it because the perpetrators were his out group. What if he had been held at gunpoint by somebody with the same skin tone?i believe he would have a different attitude? Politics is downstream from culture and whats going to happen when a society begins pushing for the kind of politics that means less or no punishment for one group and regular for another group? Is the group that gets the short end of the stick going to be attracted to "Conservatism" or Revenge politics,when the tables turn again? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NullVoid Posted June 28, 2020 Report Share Posted June 28, 2020 No need for insults Urabug. You posted a link to a story about police brutality in India. Police brutality is unfortunately all too common around the world. In this instance there doesn't appear to be any racial motivations or connotations. You posted the link is a discussion about BLM and mentioned 'white police'. I'm wondering why you see it as linked or relevant?Doesn't BLM and Police Defunding/Abolition go hand in hand? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davie P Posted June 29, 2020 Report Share Posted June 29, 2020 Im not Alt right nor have i claimed to be that seems to be a meaningless attack word My apologies. It was not meant as an attack - it is an assumption on my part based on some of the sources you link to and the content of some of your posts. Are you not committed to abolishing all stereotypes and changing your thinking or just what specific stereotypes are viewed as harmful?, as stereotypes have been part of the human experience for as long as we have been around. Stereotyping, in/out grouping, racial bias etc are indeed inherent to humans for sound evolutionary reasons. It would be impossible to 'abolish' such traits, whether desirable or not, and these traits are more pronounced in some people than others for a multitude of reasons. It is much more productive to acknowledge that these traits exist and take personal responsibility for how they influence our thoughts and actions. My personal philosophy is that we only get one shot at life, so lets not be @rseholes to each other and do our best to treat each other with respect. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NullVoid Posted June 29, 2020 Report Share Posted June 29, 2020 (edited) Stereotyping, in/out grouping, racial bias etc are indeed inherent to humans for sound evolutionary reasons. It would be impossible to 'abolish' such traits, whether desirable or not, and these traits are more pronounced in some people than others for a multitude of reasons. It is much more productive to acknowledge that these traits exist and take personal responsibility for how they influence our thoughts and actions. My personal philosophy is that we only get one shot at life, so lets not be @rseholes to each other and do our best to treat each other with respect. I am of the view that there is a well meaning but harmful Anti-Egalitarianism forming a kind tat strengthens sectarianism rather than weaken it. The rise of fatherless homes correlates with the Uptick in arrests and prosecutions among the so called “Black Community” in the US Just look at the timeline. But to say that the impact of more single mothers has been negative to society involves tipping a sacred cow.I am not talking about widows there have been a very clear cultural shift that has created these circumstances. Racist police are a good scapegoat but if its racist police why is the same thing happening to poorer whites as families start to break down in their “Communities” for lack of a better term? How often do you hear the phrase “Black Community” or “Asian Community”?Its textbook Communalism!And who is never grouped into a “Community”? The takeaway is that unconsciously these groups are being paraded around as something to feel sorry for and ignore the fact that the black people being arrested are usually troubled individuals. Instead of looking into fixing broken homes the solution proposed by the left is to instead ask the police to give them the soft touch and “Check our privilege” in some far left religious atonement ritual. Africa is Synonymous with Poverty porn and it has instilled the idea that these people need constant help and donations,Even Africans make fun of this. Rather than things like stability, investment, Infrastructure etc The rich world has a poor conscience it wants infact it needs to think that somebody somewhere is doing something about the third world,And the mother Theresa myth caters to this desire a western woman who has forsaken her life for the people of the third world as it makes the west feel betterThis is one of us once again rescuing the third world.~What mother Theresa has done is she has accepted implicitly the idea that there’s nothing much you can do for the poor except take them off the streets and look after them you cannot change their attitudesyou cannot make them feel that they have an ability they may even have the means to improve and change their lives she’s not bothered with that agenda. Hell's Angel: Mother Teresa - Christopher Hitchens I see so many parallels between that and white middle class activism as the BLM White saviors probably feel as though they are Mother Theresa who are looking to change the minds of racists int their white bread community. No racists found well just harangue about systemic racism or unconscious bias without pointing to actual examples of racist laws, protocols etc,its like how Religious leaders said god lived in the cave but when people go into the cave Religious leaders said god was on the mountain top and when people climbed the mountain to find him Religious leaders said he had moved to the sky and when airplanes flew Religious leaders said he was in space and when astronauts landed on the moon well perhaps Angles fly higher than space. Edited June 29, 2020 by NullVoid Davie P 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Claadehol Posted June 29, 2020 Report Share Posted June 29, 2020 Davie P would need to have a close look at the situation in India to ascertain what he would classify as rascist. The "untouchables" or Dalets, are lower caste indians who live in constant fear of being beaten, raped, lynched and otherwise humiliated by the upper caste part of society. There are about 140 million of them, and they are the ones who wind up dead on a regular basis. They are not allowed to use the same facilities as upper caste Indians, temples, cafes, etc. What is Davie P's take on rascism here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davie P Posted June 29, 2020 Report Share Posted June 29, 2020 Davie P believes that there are similarities and differences between the caste system and racism. Are we bringing the caste system into the discussion to show that discrimination of many types exist? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Claadehol Posted June 29, 2020 Report Share Posted June 29, 2020 Same effect, (if not worse) on the victims Davie, and I would suggest the treatment of these Indian victims is a damned sight worse than all the rascism in this country, real or perceived.I dont see any mass protests on this one, or the Chinese treatment of muslims come to that.I remember going into a pub in Wolverhampton because my train was delayed, some years ago, everybody that was in there was black including the musicians. Everybody stopped talking, the band stopped playing, and it was made very plain I wasn't welcome. I remember sitting down in a pub in Surrey next to two black guys, nodded hello, and was told immediately, "we don't like white people."Had that been the other way round it would have been a rascist issue.I just changed seats.There has been atrocious behaviour in the past by the white western population, the appalling tragedy of slavery, but let us remember the black leaders in Africa were quite happy to sell their own people. Some of these leaders' descendents are probably in positions of power to this day, there will be no apologies there. Nor will there be apologies from the Arab slave trader nations who sold a huge quantity of Africans. The vikings traded in white slaves from Europe, so did the muslims when they had a foothold in Europe. These slaves were white!I'm afraid I don't feel responsible for any of the slave trade, being white isn't my fault, and I wasn't a part of the trade, I wasn't around then. Davie P 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NullVoid Posted June 29, 2020 Report Share Posted June 29, 2020 Davie P believes that there are similarities and differences between the caste system and racism. Are we bringing the caste system into the discussion to show that discrimination of many types exist?Our caste system is the Progressive Stack.Which ranks "communities"/demographics Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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