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  1. tarsus

    Covid 19 / Coronavirus

    I am not saying that Ghostrider is correct but I do understand where he is coming from as some of our leaders over the years have bent the truth to suit their needs. Can you ask an MP a simple question and get a straight and honest answer, more often than not you will get waffle. Fear is a weapon and has been used by leaders since we came down from the trees.
    3 points
  2. Whit a load of bruck ghostrider. I ken 8 o da folk dat hae or ir had it (including twaa relatives), and ken whaa a lot o da rest o dem ir. Joost because du doesna ken dir names doesna mak it some sort o conspiracy. And as fur sayin (** mod edit - potentially identifiable info removed **) was a "willing and malleable patsy"... get a grip o desel.
    3 points
  3. And what about completely skipping over the effects of the NHS being flooded with cases? It's a pretty sizeable gaping hole in the take it on the chin approach. It was enough to get the government to change their plans - which should be telling you something (and it's not just about their reelection chances before anyone makes that cheap shot). Also the fact that it was near universally slated as a terrible idea across the globe by the majority *gasp* actual experts.
    2 points
  4. Some people ARE panicking, look at the state of the shelves in Tesco's over the last few weeks. If they weren't panicking, they wouldn't have been panic buying. The cries on social media to shut down construction sites, shut down this, shut down that; the economic fall-out from this is going to be huge. Many companies do not qualify for assistance if wanting more than £250,000 as directors are having to give personal guarantees and if they have already used company assets as security on other loans, they won't get a penny. We will know within the next two to three weeks just how deathly or not this pandemic is. The media is partially to blame for whipping up fear into a frenzy, instead of accepting that people's immune systems do deteriorate with age and older people do die yet the majority of people will survive. We don't live forever. Society has a problem on the whole with accepting that death is part of life. Never mind, let's try to protect everyone, have no jobs to return to, be bankrupt, have no food and die of starvation. As Ghostrider has pointed out, sooner or later we have to reach critical mass. Italy is reported to have had problems a couple of years ago with a normal flu outbreak, their hospitals couldn't cope back then. Italy is on the verge of social unrest with people starving there and folks have no savings left. Lockdowns can only last for so long. Governments need people working in order to provide services, etc. And when folk have had the virus, recovered, they are going to want to return to work IF there is a job remaining for them.
    2 points
  5. Flawed logic. A "balanced view" would involve discounting "viewpoints" for which there is no evidence, and adjusting your position as more evidence becomes available. Also, for your conspiracy theory to hold water, it would require many thousands of healthcare workers, including locals who have already been willing to stand up against central NHS advice, to en masse be willing to mislead the public. I consider that to be very unlikely indeed.
    2 points
  6. I don’t think many are panicking, but I’d like to think they are taking on board the advise and lowering the risk to themselves and others. The idea that this is some world wide conspiracy is just daft, the large numbers of people dying around the world is worrying and where this differs from flu is younger, fitter folk are also being killed by it. One of my close friends can confirm that they are related to one of the latest people from a care home, who has been tested and confirmed to be positive for Coronavirus. Despite being very healthy for their age, they have been hit hard and whilst your own views may be “If it’s gonna get me, it’s gonna get me and if it’s gonna kill me I’ll be dead” is all very well, but for my friend this is a very worrying time of concern for her much loved relative. To suggest that, as we don’t know who the 27 locals are, therefore is someone feeding us a pile of bull, is not only ridiculously but unfair to our medical services. I agree it’s unlikely to be 27, because due to the lack of testing it will be 100s more. So I , like many others who care about catching this vile virus and want to continue living, are hoping that if I take all the precautions and advice, that it’s not gonna get me, it’s not gonna kill me and I’ll remain alive.
    2 points
  7. CSmith

    Covid 19 / Coronavirus

    ^ This! With the horrors of a Corona Virus induced nasty end dangling over them I hope everybody in that age group / risk category has taken the trouble of arranging an Advanced Directive and has informed their family of their wishes. Yet another good reason to change the law and allow a dignified exit in the form of assisted dying. As a side note, I deal with at least 1 person each day who tells me 'I am 70 / 80 years old and I am so scared.' It is heartbreaking.
    1 point
  8. 100% agree. And the knockon effects of health services being inundated with coronavirus cases is other more 'routine' treatments being affected. And if we hit saturation with coronavirus, other urgent cases will be competing for resources. For the people on here advocating the 'survival of the fittest' approach', spare a thought for the health professionals who would be left with the hellish decision of who would receive treatment and who would be left to let nature take it's course. Many hospitals up and down the UK already take practically that approach with QALYS and DALYS. Day in, day out, we see operations cancelled and if two people's clinical needs are identical but their ages aren't, the younger person with the better chance of survival will get the operation. It's nothing new. What is new is this pandemic bringing to the forefront of people's minds that this does happen. Hospitals try to save everybody. My first thought would not be with the health professionals, but with the actual patient. If you were in your eighties, would you want to be treated in intensive care for two to three weeks, despite the fact that your chances of survival were incredibly low? Many in their later years have not survived this disease, and that's where you end up with hospitals being saturated and unable to cope with the sheer numbers requiring hospitalisation. It's horrid, as is one of the alternatives of not treating anyone over X age. It isn't a dignified pain-free death but then what death is?
    1 point
  9. "For the people on here advocating the 'survival of the fittest' approach', spare a thought for the health professionals who would be left with the hellish decision of who would receive treatment and who would be left to let nature take it's course." A hellish choice indeed but, if it has to be made between "Patient A" and "Patient B", then you would wonder if either patient was actually "fit enough" to survive.. Truth is that the NHS has been cut back to the bone by successive governments, doesn't have adequete stocks, and can no longer cope with anything more than "normal" throughput.
    1 point
  10. Davie P

    Covid 19 / Coronavirus

    100% agree. And the knockon effects of health services being inundated with coronavirus cases is other more 'routine' treatments being affected. And if we hit saturation with coronavirus, other urgent cases will be competing for resources. For the people on here advocating the 'survival of the fittest' approach', spare a thought for the health professionals who would be left with the hellish decision of who would receive treatment and who would be left to let nature take it's course.
    1 point
  11. Colin

    Covid 19 / Coronavirus

    There is no doubt that Corvid-19 is a "nasty little sausage", and that a lot of people are "at risk", but we should all "get a grip" and stop slavishly following the televised "saturation" coverage. Every time I put the telly on, I see nothing but "talking heads" telling us what we must/must not do. I didn't know that we were a country so full of "experts" !!, and I'm getting a little fed up with the "glee" that the media seems to have in thrusting so many crap and meaningless interviews on us. I got a dose of Swine Flu a few weeks back. Didn't enjoy it one bit and felt quite ill but, I was dismayed to find out that NHS Shetland knew it was about but didn't advertise it. !! I wonder how many people with "underlying health problems" died from that one ? Also, why keep that one quiet but shout from the rooftops about "Kung Flu/Woo Han Floo" (call it whatever you like). Ghostrider is not the only one getting "frustrated" with the whole business.
    1 point
  12. @ Windwalker - Nobody wants to lose anybody, but whether we like it or not, people die all the time around the world. This isn't the world's most deadliest pandemic - fact. It is the first many people have any experienced in their lifetimes, yes. The flu, TB, etc., also affect people of all ages. The majority of people have recovered from the virus, something the media seems to want us to ignore. Not conspiracy theories, just plain facts. Go on John Hopkins University website if you don't believe me.
    1 point
  13. We already know how deathly this pandemic is. We just need to look at other countries, such as Italy, or are their figures all made up as well. Whilst I accept older people’s immune systems deteriorate with age, can I remind you this is affecting people if all ages. We all know and accept that death us part of life, but try telling that to the parents of the healthy 14 year old who has just died with Coronavirus. As the owner of a business that’s had to shut it doors, I for one would rather be bankrupted than dead. At least I can do my best to rebuild my business. These conspiracy theories does nothing to help the situation and at worst invite sceptics to ignore the advice and put more strain on our vital services
    1 point
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