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  1. Slowing da course o a virus was tae prevent health services being overwhelmed (and buy time whilst vaccines and treatments wir developed, and yis, herd immunity was potentially achieved). Dat is whit kept da mortality rates doon, and on da statistical whole dat wis relatively successful. Once folk had da 'rona, da treatments dat were given oot wir relatively simple, but dir is a limit tae how many folk da health services can look after at wance. When da health services were stretched, mortality rates geed up. Simple stuff. I ken plenty o folk who work in health services, and a few folk dat wir very ill we da 'rona, and dat is da story dey tell me too. I'll tak dir testimony at face value afore I listen tae keyboard virologists. I don't recall ever hearing fae anybody we ony understanding o the 'rona that the health services advice wis in place to 100% contain it or dat dir widna be variants or new viruses in future - it wis tae slow da spread, which it did. I'd be interested tae see ony evidence tae back up dy theory dat slowing da progress increases da chances o variants developing. I'm nae virologist either but it sounds lik a lot o dirt! Surely da mair a virus spreads, da mair chance dir is o mutations. On wan hand du's saying dat "keeping a distance from other people and minimising transferrance from handling anything anyone else had handled" wis sensible. I agree, and dat was da core message fae da health authorities. But den du says dat "the evidence all points everything they've said and done to having been wholly ineffective." Dat wid seem tae be a contradiction Du's throwing oot phrases lik "the potential to come with a far more lethal twist in its tail than anyone's worst nightmares could dream up." den saying "Isn't it time for a little perspective, and a little less mass hysteria." Again, dat wid seem tae be a contradiction And as for comparing the 'rona tae da good old day o da bubonic plague and Spanish flu, when understanding o sanitation, hygiene, germs, viruses and da lik were either non-existant in dir infancy..... Mibee we're aa joost a bunch o modern pansies and we should ignore what was learned fae those global pandemics, ignore da health professionals current advice and joost knuckle doon, get on we it, and let millions die needlessly. I'm happy tae social distance, wear a mask, and wash me hands when needs be if it'll save even wan life.
    5 points
  2. Yis, dir 'saft arrrs*' seem tae be da main budder. (*soft pronunciation of the letter 'r', rather than pliable buttocks)
    5 points
  3. God bless the spacebar!
    5 points
  4. ^Corrrrrong again. I've just come to learn that folk like you aren't worth the time. You eased yourself in here and have somehow managed to make a forum that was already a shallow version of itself somewhere even less worthy of folks time. Bravo. But I'm sure you'll take that as some form of affirmation of your set-in-stone and over-inflated "views" somehow being validated. Best of luck with that!
    5 points
  5. For me, Brexit was the apex because it represented a tipping point for one of the world's longest functioning democracies (a model upon which many Western democracies are based) and a failure of the classic view of the 4 Estates of Democracy. We are now in a new era in the UK where it is 'acceptable' for the government (the Executive) to ignore Parliament (the Legislature) and the courts (the Judiciary) and use the media (the 4th Estate, which has traditionally had a function to hold the other 3 to account) to manipulate voters into voting for something which would demonstrably make the majority worse off. Personally, I feel that the move from 'editorial' media to 'social' media has rendered the function of the 4th Estate, to a large degree, obsolete. Mass manipulation seems quite straightforward on Social Media (e.g. Facebook–Cambridge Analytica data scandal). Folk will believe what they want to believe, do very little in the way of fact checking, and seem particularly susceptible to simple false equivalences (e.g. the infamous NHS Bus blaming the EU for government's underinvestment in health services, and the government blaming immigrants for their underinvestment in social services and housing in deprived areas). It all seems very plausible to many people, and Social Media provides the online echo chambers for these manipulations to take hold and become accepted as fact. All the government then has to do is present their latest legislation as the silver bullet to shoot the bogeyman they created, and call anyone who challenges them 'undemocratic' or 'unpatriotic'
    4 points
  6. Here’s an idea. Let’s see if we can have a discussion without it going off topic with anti Westminster ‘witticisms’
    4 points
  7. Du’ll get nae peace fae da media efter yun revelations @Ghostrider. I’m tinkin I might suggest a new column tae da Shetland Times caaed “Fae da Ebb”. As da title suggests, it wid feature stories aboot bruck and sports equipment folk have found in da ebb. I’ll liklee need some market research tae prove tae da editor dat da “Fae da Ebb” column wid be as popular as I expect it wid be, so please ‘like’ dis post as an indication of your desire to regularly read aboot washed up auld dirt. Thanks in advance fur your support
    4 points
  8. The gas plant comparison is very valid, and really highlights the emotive nature of the windfarm issue. The entire gas plant project was developed, proposed and constructed in a fraction of the time of what is now the Viking Energy Windfarm. Caused extensive disruption to peat and of course produces fossil fuels with all the negatives that brings. However, not a pleep in objection. Partly because if wasn't the "cool thing to object to" on social media, but also because the majority of people who are aware of them, myself included, are willing to balance the benefits both locally and in the bigger picture, with the damage and pollution they cause, knowing better options will come along sooner rather than later. I'm going to offer a very personal view now. I was born in the early 70's. I had no say in Sullom Voe Oil Terminal, though I do know there were councilors for an against at the time, and they were voted for accordingly. I totally understand the huge economic positives the oil industry has brought to Shetland. From roads and leisure, to the care services and beyond. Mismanagement and controversy aside, these funds have played a massive part in Shetland being what it is today, and still do. But they came, and come, at a price. As a young man, I had to clean up the dead oily birds from the shore. We had to wear shoes on a summer day at the beach because of tar balls. Even tonight, I look out at the bonny clear sky to the north, as the view south is dominated by the glow of the flare stack (and I live in Yell, for those who don't know). But no matter where we live. We all need power. Flowing through the power lines that claim the lives of many birds every year held up by ugly "hydro poles" all ower the islands. (Imagine that project starting now) So, thought all the local elections and public consultations, I fully supported the cleaner option, and as it developed from when the Susetter windmill went up in the 80's (my personal memory of the potential), voting for "The Windfarm" was the way I went. Now, at last, after all these decades of hope, I can finally see a sustainable future for Shetland that wir bairns can be proud of. And maybe I will be able to go on the back porch in a few years and see the stars in the southern hemisphere clearly fae hom for the first time. Already I know of at least one young Shetland family of four who have moved back home because of the work and promise from the windfarm. I posted this opinion, because that's what it is, my opinion, on social media a few weeks ago. It is staggering how many abusive private messages I got before I took it down. Ranging from calling me a liar to just straight up abuse. No fine, but I keen (hope) they're just caught up in mob mentality.
    4 points
  9. I wonder how many folk do not post here is case NulVoid decides to crap on everything by responding with the usuan barrage of garbage ? In fairness, there may just be one or two points of interest buried in there somewhere, but fom my own personal position, I prefer to skip his/her/it's entire post. Once, that is, after I have managed to scroll past a series of awful graphics. NB; Pretty pictures do not prove anything. Try reasoned argument instead. If I wanted to see pictures, I would buy The Beano... .
    4 points
  10. The 'all politicians are liars' line of discussion is quite tedious, and quite frankly nonsense. I studied politics as a student, worked alongside several politicians at various levels during my career and still take a keen interest in it. There are many politicians of great integrity, past and present, and at all levels of local and national politics, who have contributed very positively to society. However, in all the years I have followed politics I have never seen such blatant dishonesty as that which came from, in the most part, the pro-Brexit politicians and the media outlets which amplified their jingoistic nonsense and glossed over their disregard for due process. They played to the gallery, and promised things that were obviously impossible, with apparent impunity. I feel Brexit was probably the lowest point in British politics for several generations.
    3 points
  11. Colin

    Flies

    After trying a number of differet sprays, all ineffective to the point where I might as well hit the flies with the tin.. I found some stuff that might be of use.. It's called RAID and it takes the little buggers out of the air with no problem. One quick spray around, and less than 10 minutes later, no files.... Mind you, I have no idea (yet) what it does to the wife and cat. Hope the cat survives..
    3 points
  12. Roachmill

    Flies

    Well it's been blamed on the windfarm, the SIC and Orkney's had its name dragged through the mud. After reading something somewhere on the internet, I'm sorry to say it's none of the above; it's Brexit. The EU simply won't let our British flies in without the correct paperwork so they're having a staycation. In an attempt to shoehorn in Covid... the flies have also chosen Shetland due to our low case numbers. Word also has it Boris Johnson has awarded some multi-million pound clean-up contracts to mates fae his school days and the SIC have agreed to pick up the bill.
    3 points
  13. Davie P

    Covid 19 / Coronavirus

    I don't think either of those options were seriously considered for very long by anyone with an understanding of how the virus was spreading (I assume you know that but are writing for dramatic effect). Since very early on the aim of the game was to slow the spread i.e. the 'flatten the curve' principal whilst vaccines were developed and/or herd immunity achieved. Surely there's enough evidence of health services around the world being overwhelmed for people to understand that aiming for herd immunity through the unchecked spread of the virus would have been catastrophic. It feels quite odd to be even writing such an obvious comment.
    3 points
  14. Indeed, socially distanced harassment doesn't quite work as well! A small bonus. While I think you and I may be voting differently it has been refreshing to see someone not in favour of independence (I think) not name calling, claiming being shouted down when trolling or asking questions only to ignore some perfectly reasonable answers - all acts which only further cement opinions for *insert tongue in cheek* FRRREEEEEEEDOOOOMMM!!!! The independence thing does need put to bed one way or the other. Personally I don't see Scotland being such a rattle of poop that it's unable to pull itself through tough times and come out bigger and, better and in charge of itself. I'd like to see it's political spectrum devoid of the SNP, being able to vote for parties and policies and actually get what the majority decided with no hands tied (yes, I know some powers are devolved ATM!) by who England voted for. However, I suspect the way the Conservatives seemingly wanting to hang on to us so badly means there's money to be made. They'll fire up their media machine to spread fear (e.g. their pension lies from last time around did them immense favours by terrifying the older demographic) and we'll end up staying put.
    3 points
  15. Ghostrider

    Electric Vehicles

    Private car ownership would be a far less bad thing for the environment if cars were made to last much longer. There's no practical reason why cars aren't built to last longer other than financial - makers don't want to lose the pay cheque of selling a complete new unit every time one of their previous ones racks up the theoretical 10 years/100,000k 'lifespan'. The shell is the only thing that has the potential to end the life of a car, usually from corrosion, everything else it 'bolt on'. Make the shell from minimally corrosive metals and a car has the potential to last several human lifetimes only requiring parts that wear out are break replacing when necessary.
    3 points
  16. Davie P

    Forum Moderation

    Apologies for going off topic again..... Every social context has rules, whether explicit or assumed, about what is acceptable. A conversation in the Thule Bar will have different social rules to a conversation at the family dinner table. In this case of Shetlink, we are all responsible for setting the tone of the discussions - not just the moderators. I for one am grateful that the tone is generally constructive, respectful, and rarely personal. But it seems to me that some folk on here are in a cob after being asked to mind their language at the family dinner table. Claims about censorship and comparisons to communist dictatorships are hysterical nonsense! Never in the history of humanity have people had so many opportunities and mechanisms to express their opinions. If you feel you are being censored here, there are many other places on the internet you can go.
    3 points
  17. peeriebryan

    Forum Moderation

    I think it's getting a bit overheated if folk are worried their right to free speech is under threat and we're comparable to China because a comment was moderated. The moderators want the forums to be friendly and welcoming to everyone. If the moderators think a comment is needlessly mean spirited, picks on a group of folk, doesn't add anything constructive to the discussion, is inaccurate and/or any other combination of reasons we feel contributes to the forums being un-friendly and un-welcoming, then the mods will do some mod-ding. If we all keep the Guidelines in mind I'm sure we'll be fine.
    3 points
  18. Bit o an Islamophobic cheapshot dare Ghostrider, and ironic considering dat aabody is expected tae wear facemasks noo-a-days!
    3 points
  19. Wheelsup

    Vaccination cards.

    I am always amazed at the quality of rich scientific and medical knowledge shown by the posters on this forum. I am totally dumbfounded you haven't been called on by the UN to sort out the world's problems.
    3 points
  20. Jacques

    Shetland Space Centre

    I can only speak for satellite communications, the main problem some users experience with current GEO satellite communications is the latency, speeds and cost. However, this is a solution that many people use in remote locations and even oil and gas platforms. What will be interesting are the new LEO Starlink and OneWeb satellite constellation providing affordable pricing, comparable broadband latency with high bandwidth connections. I believe this week Starlink officially opened its network up to the UK for beta testing. As David P said, satellite broadband won’t replace traditional communication links like Fibre optic broadband, but, it is definitely a good option for remote communities and even an option for home and business backup solutions.
    3 points
  21. Jacques

    Shetland Space Centre

    The types of satellite vary depending on the mission requirement. For example, GEO (Geostationary Orbiting Satellites) are most commonly used for telecommunications, satellite TV such as Sky and internet broadband. A lot of the satellites most people are hearing about are LEO (Low Earth Orbit) satellites, Starlink is a good example. Shetland Space Centre is looking to support launch vehicles into a polar & sun-synchronous orbit (SSO) for LEO satellites. Most satellites launching into a Polar or SSO are earth observation, imagery and radar etc. A lot of these satellites are long term mission multi sensor sats or small cube sats which are single purpose but have a shorter life span. An area which has picked up a lot of interest is using satellite imagery to help farmers understand crop health and where on the land isn’t producing. There is a lot of satellites and more to go up, but all have specific missions and operating in a variety of orbits. I hope this gives you a little bit more of an idea around satellite operations, any other questions, let me know!
    3 points
  22. Probably the best pension in the world..
    3 points
  23. If you go the SIC planning applications page you will find links to over 500 documents relating to the spaceport including the environmental impact study.
    3 points
  24. @George. you've peppered this and many other threads with vague, inaccurate and often xenophobic posts about things being 'inflicted' on 'us' and how it is 'undemocratic' but have failed to offer any detail. You ignore questions directly posed to you about your accusations but you demand that other users justify their points. You're trolling, and it's tedious. You have also been warned and blocked several times so we're removing your repetitious posts and our fingers are hovering over the 'ban' button unless you back up your accusations with evidence or reasoning. So in an effort to move on positively, please do provide some evidence or reasoning why joining the EEC or EU was undemocratic, why Westminster is undemocratic or what exactly Ted Heath, Anthony Eden, James VI or whoever else did that you don't like. Thanks in advance, the Shetlink admins.
    3 points
  25. SSC planning application available here for comments, if anyone is so inclined: https://pa.shetland.gov.uk/online-applications/applicationDetails.do?keyVal=QMI5QYOAGFC00&activeTab=summary
    3 points
  26. Having followed many discussions for some time, it comes up, particularly with one individual, in addition whilst the word may not be mentioned the content says it all. unfortunately all governments be it U.K. or SNP make false and misleading statements all the time, as far as I’m concerned I really don’t trust any of them. My worry is those who can’t see fault in certain parties and hit out at anyone who dares not to agree with their views, over powering the conversation, nit picking and therefore stiffening discussion. I’ve seen that on many forums including Shetlink. For clarity the last sentence is not aimed at you or anyone in particular, it’s how I often feel and why I gave up posting earlier in the year. Dealing with COVID was enough hassle. Whilst I accept that government are constantly trying to score political points against each other, wouldn’t it be great if those in power would all work together to defeat this pandemic for the good of the population. Rant over.
    3 points
  27. You quote Evil Inky directly and mimicked his reply so apologies for thinking you were addressing him directly. I'm also coming up short on the repeated claim that there's numbers of posts claiming past referendums weren't democratic. To me that would imply Trumpish level claims of vote tampering and suchlike which I don't recall seeing much of anywhere. I've seen plenty piddled off mentions about how, although Scotland as a nation voted to remain in the EU, we were taken out due to the voting power of England. You may rightly have a claim on such posts being against the "democratic will of the UK" - but do keep in mind we (Scotland) were told during Indyref1 that staying in the UK was the only way to stay part of the EU. When a democratic result is achieved through lies and false promises, that is true anti democracy in action.
    3 points
  28. Maybe they would've had more joy with something like this...
    3 points
  29. Roachmill

    Up Helly Aa

    Watch it, you! Coming on here with your commonsensical words. Pfft!
    3 points
  30. I've heard some adventurous people prepare fish and meat dishes in their own homes.
    3 points
  31. If Scotland is such a drain on England how come Westminster is so keen to keep hold of us? Independence can't come soon enough. If we had it now our fish could be sold in Europe, because Scotland voted against leaving the EU. "The clamour for Independence" has been going for much longer than Johnson has been in number 10. Scots don't want to be ruled by the Tories. It's as simple as that, and you can hardly blame them after the balls-up Johnson seems to be making of everything. Next step reducing workers rights - oh joy! Oh! And no nuclear bases in Scotland sounds like result.
    3 points
  32. Well that is the thing. Fossil fuels, or I would rather describe it as fossil resources are limited. I remember years ago hearing a talk about climate change, about increasing CO2 in the atmosphere and how mankind is affecting the weather. But what I remember from that talk was a comment in the closing remarks. I’m not sure that I can quote it exactly, but it was along the lines “Even if you don’t believe in climate change, oil and gas is too valuable to just burn”. That comment stuck with me. Sitting at your computer, what is it made of? Your clothes, your furniture, significant parts of your car will all have plastics or other materials made from hydrocarbons. If oil and gas extraction goes on at present rates, how long will it last, 20 years? 200 years? I don’t know, but I’m absolutely sure it won’t last 2000 years. So I wouldn’t say that all oil and gas extraction should be totally stopped, what I think is important is that it should be preserved for making other things and not simply be burned for uses like generating electricity or powering motor cars where other options are available. Yes preserving hydrocarbons has a “green” bonus to in terms of not producing so much CO2, but I think that reducing the use of a limited natural resource that is really useful is reason enough to try to preserve as much of it as possible for the future.
    3 points
  33. ^ The whole thing had a very pompously vexatious ring to it when it was made, a heat of the moment throwing of toys out of the pram in a huff to shut Scott up. Its good to see, for once, 'the system' working as its supposed to. As for apologies or even an acknowledgement they were wrong and out of order on the day, it ain't never gonna happen. Our great and esteemed leaders believe themselves the untouchables. FFS they're just Councillors, the same as the rest of them, that, for the meantime have been chosen to be figure heads and spokespeople for the collective, not bloody President and Prime Minister of Shetland like they act, and some previous holders of the roles have similarly acted. Grandiosity appears to follow the leadership roles these days, and it needs deflating, as its turned the council in to an ego massaging exercise for those concerned rather than them serving Shetland's best interests.
    3 points
  34. Evil Inky

    Donald Trump (poll)

    My advice is that if you ever find yourself using the phrase "once the Woke left establishes a 1 party state in almost all western countries", it's time for a lie down in a quiet darkened room.
    3 points
  35. I do not agree that something which is dead has (or can) do anything to be reborn. That would be "silly". Even speaking metaphorically, it would be equally silly to think of the UK and it's former global domination ever returning. To wish for that is decidedly troublesome as that would be to wish for all the sharn we pulled. And, yes, I have a counterargument... but I'll save my time for more fruitful endeavours like shouting at shadows, holding a reasoned debate with my left shoe and trying to get this damned chocolate teapot to work.
    3 points
  36. Nope, there's no reason to make any sort of counter-point when it gets met with your endless and wasteful waffle e.g. you struggle with the basic concept of something being "false" when provided with basic and clear-cut actual evidence of it being false. As a general rule it's short shrift for folk that talk like a 5 year old with their fingers in their ears.
    3 points
  37. I think my DNS must be screwy as it appears to keep taking me to the daily mail comments section. ipconfig /flushdnsD'oh!
    3 points
  38. You could try Shetland Broadband if you haven't already. They are a very helpful, courteous, actually know what they are on about and will be abreast of what's coming hardware wise at a local level. It may all be for naught but they'll be able to give you better info than on here it would appear. Best of luck Frances! Shetland Broadband http://www.shetlandbroadband.co.uk/ 01595 696297
    3 points
  39. And also the minor point highlighted by the graphic posted above. There are still people that don't understand covid masks are to limit the spread of what's coming out of the wearer and not to stop you breathing anything bad in. I don't know how anyone can not have received and understood that minor detail without putting in some hard effort not to pay any attention.
    3 points
  40. Ah well. You appear to be proving your own "low info folks" exist point rather admirably. A sentence + dodgy looking video works well in that respect.
    3 points
  41. You've more than made your point NullVoid. No need to flog that horse.
    2 points
  42. For those who cited Sweden as an example of how to deal with Covid... https://www.businessinsider.com/sweden-admits-coronavirus-strategy-underestimated-strenght-virus-lofven-stefan-2020-12?r=US&IR=T "...We are far beyond 100% of capacity in intensive care. We are approaching almost double the number of available spaces..." "...That was the country's second-highest number of monthly deaths on record, surpassed only by the country's worst month of the 1918 influenza pandemic..."
    2 points
  43. Cape Canaveral its no, but I suppose they had to start out with a grassy field at one time too.
    2 points
  44. @nullvoid Despite your usual stream of guff, waffle, and YouTube clips that hardly anyone but yourself bothers viewing, and despite the fact that you appear to have set yourself up as an authority on just about everything posted here, you still do not have the right to refer to a large majority of the population as "morons" or "idiots" for not knowing what, apparently, YOU know.
    2 points
  45. It would indicate that a scary amount of people chose to ignore scientific fact, the reality of life around them and plain old common sense, choosing to believe random hellery on youtube instead.
    2 points
  46. ^^ Yun might be my favorite post in da history o Shetlink! Nailed it bang on
    2 points
  47. Nah nah, I'm no gettin involved we dis level o apocalyptic pleepsin. Dry your eyes boys and try no let folk annoy you sae much. I'm finished me wark so I'm aff for a walk and I'll liklee nip intae da shop. Da only inconvenience is dat I'll pit me mask on whin I get dare. On me walk I'll liklee meet some folk dat subscribe tae a different religion, vote for a different political party and dirs a wife dat works in da shop dat came fae anidder country. Dir's even a gay fellow I sometimes meet. My heavins! Whit is da world comin tae! Dey'll liklee try to pinch my pint o milk, or try tae convert me, or try tae turn my pilly intae a tootie, so I tink I'll joost byde home and complain aboot dem on da internet.
    2 points
  48. ^ 30% of customers are in the toon, who already have as their 'go to' shop as the Coop and/or Tesco. Getting any appreciable percentage of them to go on an 'out of town' shop would take a lot of work. The other 70% for a significant part have their 'go to' shop in their home area, a Coop/Tesco run is an occasional thing, if ever. A Tingwall site would tempt those from west/north who already make toon shopping trips, but would need to offer something really special to attract many toonies out that far, or more from west/north to make trips in. For folk coming in from south, Tesco is a who lot nearer and easier to get to from the Hollander Knowe than Tingwall is, again it would need something really special to get any appreciable number to make that left turn. I'm unconvinced either Lidl or Aldi have that much 'special' to offer. Rip up the road from Hollanders Knowe to Shurton forcing everybody from sooth owre through the Black Gaet to get to the toon, and a Tingwall site would snare most from everywhere but the toon. As is, Tingwall realistically would only snare folk from west/north and a small trickle from the toon and southward. There's probably only in the mid to high teens of thousand of bona fide 'shoppers' in Shetland, the rest being too young or too old, and have it done for them ie. whoever does the actual shopping is going to influence where its being done at. That's not a lot of shoppers to divvy up between two let alone three. To survive a newcomer would have to squeeze out one of the two existing, which probably wouldn't be too hard if they were ready and prepared for the inevitable price war to decide the winner, but to have a chance of coming out ahead IMHO any challenger needs to be within easy walking distance, preferably line of sight of their competition to have a chance. Folk need to be put in a position where they make a conscious decision between two doors standing right in front of them (methaphorically if not literally - Toon or Tingwall is too far apart for that to work). Otherwise old habits die hard. Personally I'd prefer to see Tesco packing their bags and heading out the sooth mooth, having sold the building to Lidl, but I don't see that happening any time soon. What I'd really like to see is Tesco selling the building to somebody like Sainsbury's, but that's just a fantasy....ain't happening this life.
    2 points
  49. You're all guns-a-blazing there NullVoid. But with facts being completely disregarded, whataboutisms-a-plenty and dropping some obviously distracting baited hooks... I'm going to leave you to it. Like I said; I'll wait to see what the petulant man-baby comes out with.
    2 points
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