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If we can get the pyramid stuff out of the way first, as it is just an area of passing curiosity for me and I doubt we will get much further on any answers without a new perspective. Simple calculations perhaps but I get the feeling the answers are still to be arrived at. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Egyptian_pyramid_construction_techniques As good a place to start as any I suppose so yes; I think time dilation is wrong. No time dilation; end of. To quote the man himself... It had been bugging me for a while that they had laid down dark matter with no explanation as to what it was; then the dark energy thing began to make it seem like they were just avoiding any other possible alternative for something that may be wrong with there maths on a massive scale. The whole divide by zero thing that they do with black holes then started to seem worth a second look after that and before long, the big bang with its add on big crunch ideas; started to look like a bubble universe inflating and deflating, for no other reason than to match up with whatever they were saying on telly that day. There's a flip side to that though, in that; if the original model is fundamentally wrong, then any tweaking is just going to wander further from the truth. E.g Folk start to notice a similarity between Mithra and Christ. A christian knows Jesus is the only son of god so they may tweak their model to say that Satan went back in time to put Mithra there, in order to confuse the faithful. When the obvious truth is that Mithra and Christ were in fact the same person and that he was a wizard with his own time machine. Yet still gravitationally bound objects, seem able to refuse to obey the rules relativity have laid out... http://www.newscientist.com/article/mg20126934.400-exoplanet-spotted-in-hubble-archive.html In this article from New Scientist it is reported that scientists have discovered three massive exoplanets, theoretically estimated to be 10 times the size of Jupiter, closely orbiting their parent star. The catch is that according to gravitational theory, they are in a supposedly unstable orbit. according to standard theory, the orbits they are in should have fallen apart in less than 100 times the estimated age of the star. The article states: “Aspects of the HR 8799 solar system promise more riches. Daniel Fabrycky and Ruth Murray-Clay of the Harvard-Smithsonian Center for Astrophysics in Boston studied the dynamics of the three-planet system and found that the mutual gravitational pull of the massive planets should be enough to make the solar system unstable. They conclude that the planets have survived until now because they have slotted themselves into so-called resonance orbits: each time the outermost planet orbits the star once, they argue, the next one in must orbit twice and the innermost planet four times.†“Resonance orbits†hey? It’s quite the coincidence that out of the handful of exoplanets discovered, that have been directly imaged, we just happened to spot a solar system with a configuration of such low probability as to be nearly mythical. Of course the electric universe theory easily explains all the problems with these findings. EU theory states gas giant planets are born by electrical separation from their parent star. As the stars electrical load increases to the point where it can no longer cope with the stress, it will electrically "split" in order to distribute the electrical load over a wider surface area. This means the most common configuration of planets and stars that we see in space should be tightly orbiting gas giant planets around their parent stars – which is exactly what we see. The planets will interact electrically with each other and their star until an electrically stable configuration is reached. It is just what I think and like you I have little to base this on, other than; you don't get something from nothing and logic leads me to think that everything must be everywhere for all time and space. The energy won't run out, if it has nowhere to run out to. I suppose that makes me a cyclic universe leaner too. Only you will be looking on the whole thing being cyclic within its boundaries; where as I think of the individual parts like galaxies perhaps being cyclic, as energy just moves around, pretending to be matter when it can...or something. (not sure. you're streching my brain with that one) To me they're more likely doing that thing Fred Hoyle warned against... Ah yes Sagittarius A, the "Milky Way's Central Black Hole" or more like the Electric Motor of the Milky Way. Only it's not exactly invisible is it? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sagittarius_A* Although to be fair the imagined black hole underneath will be invisible, since there isn't any such thing. There are better explanations... http://www.thunderbolts.info/tpod/2006/arch06/060403milkyway.htm When you say you have been reading about it; it is more than clear you have been reading it from the viewpoint of relativity proponents. Have you ever thought about reading the actual work itself with an open mind? I would like to know just which cosmological ideas it is they do not address; as I have found them able to explain in clear detail what will leave relativists at N.A.S.A baffled and not only but also, predict much that big bangers never see coming. This is a major part of the problem though, in that anyone who does not accept the big bang and the theory of relativity; may well find themselves out on their ear from the scientific community. Ranked as a crank and as you say, discarded. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QhyHCj_cVKk&feature=related

Hello Brian. Firstly, it's not because I hated relativity, that I started the thread; before those days, the picture of the universe we had been given was one of my favorite things. It was only when I realised that it was entirely wrong that the problems started. Yes they do say it has been experimentally verified but of course, being entirely wrong, it has not been in any way whatsoever. What they do do is pile on ever more maths to patch it up as they go; getting all the more wronger as they go. Galaxies don't revolve like their theory said it should...they invent dark matter to balance out the sums that don't add up. Never mind that they can't find any or even describe what it is; as long as they say it's there then they can get along with saying 2+2=10 because the dark matter patch obviously must be the missing 6. Then the universe expanding then slowing down then speeding up, under through their mathematically squint looking glass proves a problem...no problem; they just invent dark energy and now we can all understand how 2+2=10,000,000,000. Oh! the singularity at the center of a black hole defys all their laws of physics...no problem there, as we shall just say it lurks inside the shell of an event horizon; where underneath the laws of physics can break down completely without anyone being any the wiser. As long as the cash flows in, who cares? Yes, madness was what I thought had happened to me when I first figured that Einstein, N.A.S.A, Hawkings etc were all talking crap but I wasn't about to let a thing like that stop me anyhow. Funny thing was, after a few google searches, I began to see I was not alone in my so called madness. Most of the stuff on the 'trouble with Einstein' thread up until page 5, was just some of my own musings, as I began my fall down the rabbit hole but if you have solutions to the great pyramid of Giza anomalies then you may present them. I would be most interested. By the time I had got to page five on the thread, I came to land, with a sudden jolt on the Electric Universe theory and it is there I still stand. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zFEVM-IkXLA&feature=related Well what you think I think and what I think I think, may not be a perfect match. I do not in any way think the Universe was created by the big bang. I think the big bang theory was created by a catholic priest named Georges Lemaitre and the term was coined by Fred Hoyle, who also always rejected the entire notion outright and who was a steady state universe proponent. Me, I don't think the Universe was created at all, as I am not a creationist. I tend to lean towards the idea that the Universe has always and will always be here and that it has no limit in time and space. If you have any explanation for how a "hot dense state" managed to exist, floating around before there was time, space, matter or energy until the...(erm... no time; perhaps??) was right for it to explode (sorry, expand) into everything; then I would most like to hear it. I do well understand by now, how your crew don't like your most basic assumptions called into question and far be it from me to interfere, if you find a friend here to throw around gobbledygook maths with but I can't promise you anything and if there is any spillage from me; then surely you have been educated enough to mop it up before it makes a real mess of your paradigm. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1yTfRy0LTD0&feature=related http://www.holoscience.com/synopsis.php

http://oi54.tinypic.com/15g2m8w.jpg Just to make this clear; since I've mentioned it before...The Space Weather quote on the CME being a coincidence; is from the 4th October. This..."As a comet and the Sun try to balance out each others charge, CMEs tend to pop up a lot for the sun grazers" was from the29th September; the day before the spectacular coincidence of that comet and the ensuing CME.

Not at all; if you don't ask, you wont learn nuthin... It just depends who you ask I suppose... http://spaceweather.com/ Snowballs with perfect theatrical timing? Perhaps. or Electric Sun, electric comets? A predictable and expected feature in an electric universe.

While we're on the sagan subject; his wife Ann Druyan is not short on the old gold inspiration herself... 3

Had to leave the likes of Sagan behind when I gave up on the whole relativity thing but he was an original inspiration and many of his words still remain gold.. Have a Sagan wall, double whammy on me... 1 2

(you'll have to pretend that it's an electric Universe for this bit and that comets are just asteroids that discharge plasma due to changes in their electrical environments; instead of the dirty snowball with outgassing ice model) I can't see why a parabolic orbit wouldn't have much the same effect but I think what is being gotten at, is that Elenin will have a far greater negative charge built up, than those in elliptical orbits. As a comet and the Sun try to balance out each others charge; the Sun is going to have the way upper hand if any damage is going to be dealt out. CMEs tend to pop up a lot for the sun grazers, if they need it and these three body alignments, are starting to look more than just a little bit suspect in timings with CMEs, earthquakes and suchlike. A good analogy I read was... Don't cross the streams; seems to be the message. Not that we've got much choice in it though.

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It would be appreciated by the association of Shetlinkers with limited attention spans. If posters are posting criticisms in relation to taste in music, towards someone who has just uploaded a Twisted Sister video; could they please limit their posts to not more than zero words. Not only does one have to stop vital headbanging to read the posts but there is the very real risk that some of my Red tin will get spilt, during the ensuing fit of outrage. thank you. The medical terminology is adorable... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mItxugGzBDY

Free Milla Jovovich included... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0XWcMzG_C8I&feature=related

perchance?

Best display I've ever seen; couple of shooting stars to boot. Had been hoping for a show tonight, with comet Elenin coming in to alignment between earth and the Sun on 26th. Last time it aligned; we were in the middle of the birkeland current between it and the sun on the 11 march. Japan Tsunami day. http://covertnews.blogspot.com/2011/02/september-26th-2011-it-approaches.html Hopefully the light show is all we get.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cDm_ZHyYTrg

The over the table and under the table arrangements of the predator class... Go!

http://www.shetlandtimes.co.uk/2011/09/21/council-to-raise-issue-of-religious-appointees-with-cosla @the Reverend Tom Macintyre, the Church of Scotland and the great and good Betty Fullerton with all her out of date baggage, advocating wizards and demons being the ruling forces to adhere to and that we “incompetents†and Ignostics question. For Christ's sake; you've got all eternity to gloat at us screaming in the pits from your lofty clouds, as you crawl up to the baby Jesus for being so wise in his judgements but please god just leave us this day to grasp for our fairytale democracy before the idiots take over.

Delivered

Okay; just a little pinprick. There'll be no more Aaarrrrgghhh... Take two of these... Then have a hot bathe in the eldritch vapours of a thousand dooms, to wipe out any lingering, Fernando related symptoms.

Some o dis... An a lil bitta dis... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uiKKMnX6VR8

One copypasted, clone, composite Christ, coming right up; homebaked in an unholy trinity... The father The son And Mix ingredients thoroughly for best results.

Absolutely! Free will is important; I read that somewhere. The power to make your own mind up about stuff and things, is intrinsically linked to what we are and even where we are, on our bit of infinite variety through evolution, in an ever unfolding universe. Of course you should have your right to decide respected but the question of the thread is "Religious Beliefs - should we respect them?" Well...no! I can tolerate what others have come to believe in but not very gladly if they can't back it up with anything other than that bloody book and the feelings they have inside about it. When someone has come to accept Unrestrained fantastical tales of unimaginably impossible events, as the gospel truth; then it is harder to trust their soundness of mind in every other decision making process. Psychiatric disorders or just clown shoes, tend to spring to mind. The best I can do in respecting them for having the actual belief itself; is to just hope that it is because they haven't found the time yet, to just sit down and think carefully, about what it is they have been told. http://atheism.about.com/od/aboutreligion/p/RespectReligion.htm

This is the beauty and the difference that seperates Christianity as a way and meaning of life from any other Religion or belief system. It must be enchanting but why is it beautiful that such an unlikely vetting system was put in place testing the future generations, by asking them to believe in these magic events retold in what is after all just an old book It does not seem understandable at all, as to why gods would leave their laws on random old scripture and expect everyone to accept it, when there is very little on offer in the way of sources of the info. If god could write in text for thousands of years, then it's about time he learned how to email. I did hear that Projection reduces anxiety by allowing the expression of the unwanted unconscious impulses or desires without letting the conscious mind recognize them. Better to teach the kids some personal responsibility for their own actions than just rely on the cleaning power of Ptolemy XV; clothed in the characteristics of Joseph, son of Jacob from the Old Testament; dead and buried under an old sun god tale for a couple thousand year. But that's just me. I don't mind zombies running through my kids video games but the idea of cosmic zombies with magic powers running through their world view is something they don't need and quite frankly, now that we're in the 21st century, it all just sounds a bit silly.

I'm a natural worrier me... ^This is the clincher! I don't want to be left alone; I would very much like to know how to get past my brain obstacles, to join you in this eternal light but I feal that cliff edge getting ever closer with every passing second that the point about leaving an unbelievable story behind as a guiding light, is not addressed. By using my god given reason I wouldn't accept without question, if someone told me they knew someone who could walk on water, feed thousands with a loaf of bread, heal any illness, raise the dead and rise from his own grave without feeling some creeping doubts about the story related to me. This is what christians do; is it not? Then there's that threat as well... believe in this as the only important truth or burn forever. Take fairies for instance... If I don't believe in them one dies and this seems fair to me. If they drop like flies, then it is down to them using such an unreliable foundation for their own existence and they don't aid their own cause by staying invisible and not interacting with humans in any way whatsoever. If I come across an old book that tells me the fairies are out for my blood for not believing; should I start to take them seriously? If your going be the catcher in the rye, then please explain to us lost children why god gave us the of power reason then left his mark on such an unreasonable tale and threatens us to accept it, despite it going against so much we ourselves have learnt about the way the world and nature operates, in our experience of reality. I don't have much of a grasp on human belief systems really and I have never been able to understand just what is trying to be conveyed to me when the term god is brought up but lets just say that if there is some underlying creative force or forces at work. Knowing or unknowing, why would it reveal itself by taking human form then using its god power all over the place. Did it not understand that people of reason would at some point in the future find the whole Jesus thing sound a bit beyond their reason and if it did understand this then just why god why?

Tiny village is latest victim of the 'The hum' http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/8566281/Tiny-village-is-latest-victim-of-the-The-hum.html#dsq-content

http://www.wired.com/wiredscience/2011/06/clumpy-universe/ http://oi53.tinypic.com/nx1glz.jpg