Yes and no george i freely admit i done wrong i dont belong to any forums a man i dont know helped me out , i cant afford a instalation , yet i have a dish now and me kids are happy i wanted to give something back ? as in let everyone know what was done for me, maybe i should have been honest from the out set, but i was trying to be clever, something im clearly not ... i thought i could help him out for helping me? i just hope i havent done the opposite . I wanted to try advertise for him and where better than here? i opoligise to all for what i done i was out of my depth. I am truly greatfull for the help i got was all i needed to say