TYR/RAGNAROK

"soothmoother" isna racist! whit da hel is wrang wi wis aa, wir tippy-toein aroond aa body incas we offend dem an ir brandid racists! dis is shaetlan fur gods sake! we hae a unique dialect an we shoodna b fayrt tae os hit! if sombodys broon dir "moorit" in wir dialect, if dir black hit wid be "swart" etc.. dus aa dis eens dat tink hits racist kaen sumthin i duna? wis da invention o da norse/norn/sheatlan dialect deliberatly designed an intended tae be racist!..erm NO wid be da answir fur aa you aysily offendid types, ony word can b osed as a weapon against sombody tae belittle dem no joost racist eens(or whit you deem is racist). hits a por wurld whin hits shurly racist tae say "baa baa black sheep" in a nursery rhym, or as shaetlan wid say "baa baa swart yowe" tak me fur example am peerie an fok mak fun o hit aa da tym but do i care?.. NO! am no insecure an am is muckl is i want tae be. aabody spik shaetlan an os as muckl o da language as you kin(but try an no os dem in racist context).

pit da treashur bak here, mibe tae scallawa? why dus da toon hae tae git hit? hits upo da wrang syd o shaetlan fur a keek aff!!

Mibe eftir dis muckle fancy new AHS is dun an dirs a few coppirs left owir hit cood be pittin intae a cinema(nae need fur a cinema if da garrisun isna pinned every weekend, nae matter how muckl you complain o how bad hit is som fok dunna hae hit whar day byd!!) music venue,lecture rooms! whit da hel? i agree dat a venue fur helpin alang shaetlans musical talent but i joost windir if dis isna joost annidir lerook his tae hae dis cis hits da best place tae be kind o ting, how is dis gaen tae benefit fok otsyd da toon? lets say in unst, will unst eens b flockin aa da wy doon ta watch a glorified muckle tv? will bands fae sooth b rushin up here in dir droves(is da mareel gaen tae run hits ain cheap ferry service fur a dis bands?) an whit aboot aa dis theatrics an dat, why no tour aroond various halls an places up an doon troo shaetlan, why joost stay in lerook?. hers an ide lets big hit in..hmm Voe fur example and dat wy hits mare accesabl ta e da nort eens as weel as da sooth eens...eh!,towt is muckle

I hoop dat somtheen good comes ot o dis,shood we be bak in Norwegian hands? shood we be independant? shood we stay we scotland? cmon shaetlandirs wakin up! tak an interest in wir islands future, we hiv da powir tae decide if we cood onli b ersed!!!! Good fur de mr. Hill, whaydir du wins ir no at lest du's tried somthin and hits tae wir ain shame dat wis shaetlandirs didna bak de up. ir at lest pursue dis tae se whit da otcom wid b. metinks alot o shaetlandirs wid secritly lik tae se dis gaen tae da court! (watch ot mr. Hill if da Sneaky Scots invite de tae a peace treaty banquet mynd whit happend tae da picts!!!!!.)

aa skuls throo shaetlan ir essential! closin Scallawa fur example wid be a disaster! kin yu imagine da choas an troubl upo da streets o muddy bay at denner tyms! lerook kin herdly cope wi da bairns hit his as is. i fur wan wid refuse tae pit me bairn tae a skul dats mist likly no gain tae ge da best education is da clasess wid be bigger. whit aboot aa dis green hus gassess an dat? how muckle pollution an how mony buses wid yu need tae run? hers da myst logical, big a decent size skul fyr joost a bit mare den needed i.e. 900? no bloody 1200!! an if wir cooncil wid tak alook at how dir wurkirs is fleecin dem den dars extra mony tae pit taewerds education!! i.e. da iddir day whin i kam bak fae da coop i past da N.A.F.C. whar tae me surprise wis 7!!! coonty vans parkt up, i watchd as 1 man got intae each van! 2 o da vans parkt up at port ertir abun da college yundir, 1 man steppit oot o each van (procceeded tae tak twa days tae fix twa r tre tiles), at denner tym da men got intae dir vans an hayd dir denner separately! an buggerd aff hame at da bak o fowir!(bath vans nivir moved fur ony reason ony o da twa days)..how mony thoosands o wir tax mony is pumpt intae dis providin each worker wi dir ain van!?! i dunna kaen o ony iddir company dat supplies vechicles and lets dir workers feece dem(wis) in sic a wy! hits a buckl o shyt an needs sorted!

@ Abraxas, duz du evin come fae shaetlan?or byd owir here?(du clearly admits ate no haen ony Vikin genes or scottesh genes, etc.) an i lik da wi du kin gae bak in tyme an brag aboot bein descendid fae da first evir irish clan dat roold scotland! which is ho mony thoosand year ago?!!, but fur wis tae evin tink aboot discussin shaetlans past is wrang an dats only 538 (Takk Trønder!) year ago. How faar bak ir we allowd tae learn fae den? 100 year ago? 50? 10? am no sayin wi shood drap aathin wi hae noo an be handid bak tae norway, am sayin dat lets learn da history, mak up wir minds whits ryt an wrang fur shaetlans future sake, cos hit myt mean dat we decide tae gae independant or stay wi da croon or whitivr, History is interestin an shoodna bee shunned or hidden awa, i tink dus gittin a peerie moot excitable. spikin aboot jews an war wi da french(dul b fechtin against desel den) an nobel prizes. "An da winnir for da supreme use o da smiley icon nobel prize gaes tae........"

abraxis wrat See! Shocked I told yez we were here first! Now, all o yez "Vikings"... GER ORF MOI LAAAAAND!!! Very Happy my question is...is du a pict? or dus du class desel in dat genepool? cos if du dus, lik du seems tae com across as, den du cood b da contendir for claiming wryts tae shaetlan. derick wrat Da fok at focuses on da brief period (six hunder year ago!!!) at Shetlan wisna pairt o Scotland, is joost Brit Unionist agitators, nautheen more. 600 year ago wisna joost dat lang ago if du tinks aboot hit! an whit da hel is a Brit Unionist Agitator? am joost interested in aa body learnin sheatlans dam history an makin up dir ain mynd as tae whit day want tae du wi da info dat day hiv learnd, an if dat leads tae independance or a less Scotti controllin regime dat wid benefit wis shaetlandirs an da islands demsels, den dat shurli is a good ting, o coors fur da fok dat ar on dis dat hiv com fae sooth, yu ar bound tae want tae stick wi scotland or whitiver dats yur choice but i tink hits aboot tyme shaetland wis geen da chance tae learn an decide properly wi complete knowledge fur hitsel!. Ghostridir wrat is flitein and fighting over the historical shenanigans all that important in the present? YIS hit is. I tink dat afore shaetland kin gae forwird den hit shood look bak on da past an learn, decide whits wryt an wrang den look forward an mak da ryt decishuns dat wil benefit hit an no ony iddir countries! shaetlan an wis shaetlandirs comes first fur a change!

som Lerook UHA ideas metinks. fur da benyfit o da DUTCH beilt toon! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mvlWs9YD1S4&feature=related mibe shoodno laff dy myte tak hit sereus an com eftir me wi dir ex, dir guid at cuttin loose, tings dat myt ruin dir preshus public appearance!

@ Depooperit I wis really meenin dat da pure scots dialect dat wis enforced whin day arrived his been "corrupted" or "evolved" intae a scots/english wi a shaetlan accent, if hit keeps haydin da wy hit is will it end up joost english wi a peerie shaetlan twang til dat gaengs? an joost end up englesh? I meant hit joost fur shaetlan an no scotland hitsel. i agree wi de on da norn bein spokin up tae da 1900's i fin dat herd tae believe mesel. Is dir ony Orcadians on dis forum? i wid lik tae ken whit orkney tinks wid b best fur dem? ir dey discussin independance? onybody ken? An joost annidir point on da History bein tagged "Irrelevint" which am sure da shaetland ancestirs wil b turnin in dir graves at dat wan. dus dis meen fur example dat in da nixt 500-600-700 years tyme will ww1/ww2 an aa da men dat deed on bath sides, wil becom "Irrelevint"? I tink we ken da answir tae dat aaready!.

Takk Trønder i hayd a look at da links du pat up, an in wid b a good ting fur shaetland. I wil b spikin tae a cooncilir a.s.a.p. i fin hit herd tae believe dat da SIC isna in on dat!?!! hit wid b an idea fur orkney tow. is dir ony orcadians on dis forum?

Oh min dis is whit am haen tae du ivery damn day! i constantly am haen tae repeat me bairns speech in shaetland! hit drives me mentyl, da amoont o knappin dat gaes on is unbelievabl, me bairns ir twa an a haaf an fowir an a bit, so dy ir pikin hit up fae me...slowly, Da ting is dat naerly aa da parents i ken knapp tae dir bairns, me sistir is wan o da wurst, day myt as weel com fae bludy england! da language is changin fast an is becomin mare o a english wi shetland tone. hits a shame dir left hit sae layt but dir teeching shaetland in da skuls noo. so mibee dirs hoop yit? av threatind tae send da bairns tae whalsa tae git a shaetland accent, dir is annidir opshun dow..... am sayd tae da wyfe if dis is gaen tae b da future den am gaen tae ask da Good fok o da faroes is i kin com an byd dayr.

Hei Iv niffir herd o da Nordic cooncil afore but dat myt b a real good idea, hits sumthin am gaen tae hae a look at, i suppose da SIC wid need tae apply fur dat, hits a windir da Lerook Up helly aa isna in on hit! Takk.

Trønder Wrat To be honest I don't remember, but we were obviously taught about Norway's expansion into the west (Noregsveldet) and the later union with Denmark. I would imagine that Orkney and Shetland were mentioned somewhere in there. It would surprise me a lot if this isn't part of the history education in Orkney and Shetland though, as the change from Norway to Scotland was a crossroads, if not the crossroads, in your history. Whin i wis at da skul in da (80's) dir wis absalutly nae Shaetland history teecht, da only reason i hayd a rough idea o Norwa ownin wis, kis me middir used tae tell me, an sho layrnt dat at da skul i tink but hit wis braaly basic teachin an didna gae intae da hayl subject. Da hayl o me secondries wis spent learnin aboot da history o weavin in england an WW1 an 2, duna git me wrang da war is a good subject tae layrn but no tae layrn yur ain countries history is hellech i tink! especially whin dis Norwa/Scotland ting wis an probably still is da myst important point in shaetlands history! I hiv spok tae a few Norwegians an dy say da sam ting, dy coodna mynd bein teecht aboot shaetland, but dy did hae a vague idea dat dey aind wis an we wir "pawned" tae scotland but dat wis aboot as faar as hit geed. Trønder Wrat Don't dismiss them so easily. So-called non-natives can often be just as committed to the cause. Many of the early Irish nationalists were protestants. Many of the people now calling for Cornwall to be recognised as a home nation are from English families. Many of the people who worked for Norwegian interests in 1918 were from Danish families. The only Norwegian general to get a significant victory against the Germans during the invasion in 1940, Carl Gustav Fleischer, was of German stock. The man who secured independence for Brazil was a Portuguese prince. History is full of these examples. If you want more autonomy for Shetland then it would be a mistake to exclude them. Of course, it would be a mistake under any circumstance. I cana really see ony scots bydin here votin fur shetland independance as scots ir passionately patriotic tae dir country! hits dat auld wallace ting dats in dir genes i tink, i hivna met wan scots dat dusna ken o wallace an isna deydicated tae dir country. I myt b wrang on dat een but fae whit scots av spokin tae i cana seee hit. Takk.

@ roachmill i agree yur point aboot da picts but unfortunatly dy duna exsist onymare as a race apayrt fae da genes, or dy wid haea real good strong ergumint owir shaetland/orkney...and scotland as weel fur dat maytir! da picts originated fae Germanic tribes so hu faar bak will wi gae? I towt da myst logical wid be whin shetland wis invaded/colonised and da islands named and wi hits ain parliment fae da Norwa VIKINS (o hits dat wurd dat aabody liks tae bring doon). @depooperit and Abraxas, joost tae clear up da language bit, shaetland spok norn until da scots arrived, which wid o been in scallawa as hit wis da capytal, i rayd dat da fok wir "encouraged" to spik scots an i tink wi ken whit dat wid mean. kinda lik day wir "encouraged" tae build da castle yu cood say. Da scottish language fae den tae noo his dramatically changed and is "broken or corrupted" as it were, it certinly isna full scots dat fur sure, Norn wis spokin troo oot shetland up till da 1900's (iv been telt but am no sure on dat)in da remote ootlyin areas, hit deed oot as scotlands influence cam mare prominent an yur right aa body slowly changed intae spikin scots. norn hayd nae offical status and nae written form so dats why it deed oot, dir is alot o norn stil used in da shaetlan dialect and o coors hits closly realated tae Faroese. hits too muckle a subject tae git intae here an is gitn aff topic, i tink we kin aa agree dat shetlandic is changing dramatically intae somthin iddir, mare an mare shetland wurds irna bein spokin b da younger eens and da language is turnin intae an english form wi a shetland tone, na whar is dis mare visibl den in lerook, hits spreydin troo shaetland as fast as kin b. i wis playsd tae fin oot dat day ir teachin shaetland at da skuls noo! dis is gaen ryt bak tae da peerie primarys tow! takk fur dat i wid sae. am no oot against da scots/english am joost interested in da history an preservin da language,i tink hit shoold b a shetlandirs ryt tae learn dir ain history an hit shood b towt in skuls. i duna ken whit a dis negitive feelins is taewards wis layrnin wir history an if dat starts a debate intae da ryts an wrangs o past dealin den hits nae hayrm dun is it? whin yu du sit doon an look at da deals an dat, hit dus kinda look dodgy, an i tink dats wahr shaetland fok hae dat sense o pryd an wantin tae b mare den dy ir, da possibylity o haen a country o wir ain soonds good but wid hit wurk?, dats whits good aboot dis debate, "hit gits de tinkin" aabody dat coms tae shetland shood tak an interest in whar dir livin at shood dy no? hit wid b kinda ignorant tae mov somwhar foriegn an no buddir tryin tae learn da culture or history or da language, dats lik me movin tae faroe no larnin tae spik faroese no layrnin da culture an da history an expectin aa faroese fok tae accept me an my points o view taeward dir an beliefs an political systems etc. Farvæl.

yis JA bit till me whit government onywhar in da wurld isna corupt, usleliss etc. at ony tyme?