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If only CERN had you working for them all this time. Seriously though, photons have no mass and are therefore unsuitable for the task. Pushing lead ions around at close to the speed of light gives them enormous (relatively) mass. If you were to travel at such a speed you would end up weighing something like the same as a jumbo jet... hey it wont work but for 5 billion i will give it a try. its in france folks can we trust them. we could feed up the photons untill they were obese but of course they would then slow down a bit.

lets buy some big torches and shine them at each other, that subatomic particals traveling at the speed of light. and lets invoice the eu £500000000 for it. that should restore our depleted cash reserves. listerning to the radio and there was this german scientist giving a very evil laugh very unnerving as he was pressing the button. could it all be a con it may just be the french getting a free cheese/ wine store.

there is no resident doctor. the best we get is a locum a few weeks a year. the mental health team lilke most of the nhs is underfunded at patient level while they keep recruting admin staff. the only place for mental health patients is in aberdeen. now this seems to raise the issue about why there is no facility here in the island. placing acute patients on a medical ward can not be good for either the person undergoing the crisis or the other medical patients. you should expect properly trained mental health nurses to provide the care. not rgn's who have only a few weeks of training in mental health issues. as one of the main causes of death it should be treated as a priority. i know the ward staff in all the wards in shetland feel that the level of services for mental health patients is very poor.

according to the news shetland has twice mainland scotlands death rate. why. is this another one of the anomilies of small communities(its the perfered excuse for no action by the council/health board). how can we deal with it its now the main cause of death in males 14-34. (***MOD Edit - Merged with existing thread***)

a tester will not drive your car. they will stop the test if they belive your not a safe driver. they will get you to pull up somewhere safe and make you walk back to the centre. or get the qualified driver to come to the car. as you say they are not insured to drive.

very true the doctor tried me on some anthetime diet pills(sorry about the spelling) and after a few days i was becoming very high on them. the wife made me throw them away and she went and shouted at the doctor.

im sure there are cannibis based drugs available. i think one of the diet pills has an active compond from it, lots of the origanal plants like foxglove are very deadly yet they supply one very useful heart medicine. others like willow and feverfew have come from folk medicine. the greeks new about opium and even they were nervous about its use.

a little diffrent from smoking it. nobody is saying that the chemicals in cannabis cant be used for medical purposes. most of the effective drugs have an organic origan. having seen a number of my family die from cancer ive no problem with drugs used in medicine. a lot of the drugs used are extremly toxic in the treatment of cancer. so if the chemicals in cannabis can help thats fine.

yes i know about the carrier bags. but i was talking about the food bags themselves. if the big nasty tesco's is having to start doing green stuff there is hope for us.

looks like a couple of folk must be on commision to some internet companies. just bought a load of frozen veg from tesco and ive only just noticed they are using biodegradedable bags. is the co-op or anybody else. the wife bought two of those tubs of sweets for christmas(as if) the kids have scoffed 1 aready. still two tins of roses ect for £7 ist bad.

that research is a few years old . if i remeber right they have started research on the therapy part. so you see its not the big macs fault im fat its in my (jeans)

im sorry for my poor english. there are no dietians in shetland. the last one got fedup and moved back home a few months ago. if the nursing staff need help they have to try and get help from aberdeen. the post has been advertised but not filled. on a positive note the schools up here are doing a much better job than the english ones. they have kept there own kitchens. this gives them much better control over the kids diet. it also helps reduce the amount of junk food being served. getting off track my oldest son has an odd allergy to salmon. the staff can provide special meals when its served. this i call an excellent service for £1.50.

please see next post. sorry.

the mod said this thread did not break the terms and conditions. but i suggest that it does i think we can say he meets most of these points.

clearly your talking a load of c--p. explain the following then if they did not die.

these people denined the holoccaust http://history1900s.about.com/library/holocaust/bldead11.htm how did these people die. http://www.thefuturejew.com/image/belsen01.jpg http://andrejkoymasky.com/mem/holocaust/04/corpses.jpg witness I am sure when they were in the gas chambers, they didn't believe it. When the first gas did come in, probably they didn't...underst...stood what's happened to them. After I finished cutting the hair, they told us to go out, and, uh, while still on the way back to my...to the camp where our barracks were I heard already the motor, the gas motor working with a high...You know from the gas motor, the scream. They started...they started very loud like "Ahhh....," very loud, even louder than the motor. They had a big motor there. Later about 15 minutes down...down and until quiet was. This was Sobibor. People went in through the gate. Now we know what the gate was, it was the way to the gas chamber and we have never see them again. That was the first hour we came in. After that, we, the people, 18 or 16 people...more people came in from the...working people, they worked already before, in the gas chamber, we had a order to clean up the place. Clean up the place--is not something you can take and clean. It was horrible. But in five, ten minutes this place had to look spotless. And it looked spotless. Like there was never nobody on the place, so the next transport when it comes in, they shouldn't see what's going on. We were cleaning up in the outside. Tell you what mean cleaning up: taking away all the clothes, to those places where the clothes were. Now, not only the clothes, all the papers, all the money, all the, the...whatever somebody had with him. And they had a lot of things with them. Pots and pans they had with them. Other things they had with them. We cleaned that up. The transports, when--usually, most of them used to come in during the night, but there was some in the daytime, too--and when you heard that whistle from the commandant of the camp, that meant that the transport is coming in, and the men in the camp should get ready to unload the people, and so, that whistle was like somebody would tear out your insides. You knew here are other people, children, old, older people, people who never did anything wrong in their life, and they're gonna go, and you cannot say, you cannot resist, you cannot, just inside it builded up, that revenge, and that resentment, and that anger, and that pain, you know that we have builded up inside, and sometimes they came in during the day, and sometimes so many came in that they couldn't handle, so they would put them behind our barbed wire where we were fenced in, and tell us just to walk back and forth and forth and back, so what they told them that they going to work should seem to them to be the truth, and it was hard, it was hard. You walk by, and you look at the face, and you know in a half hour won't be here, can't even tell him. You just put on, not a smile, your best face you can. It hurted, it was very, very hard. The gas chamber was also a hall just like this one, with two chutes, two, uh, like chimneys going all the way to the top, with perforated metal. Had holes about a quarter of an inch all around, all four corners, and it was two or three sheets of metal, one into the other with holes. That chute went all the way up to the roof, which was almost flat to the ground outside. That's where the SS men were standing as soon as the bunker was filled in, yeah wait a minute.... When they filled in the bunker with all the women they put the men in. And sometimes they had 20 or 30 extra people that they couldn't get in, so they always held back children. And when the bunker was already so filled they couldn't put no more people, no more...they made the kids crawl on the top of the heads, all the way in there, just kept on pushing them in, to fill them all in. When the door was slammed behind them, was a thick door, was about six inches thick. I built it myself and I know what it's like: three bolts, three iron bars were across. The bars were laid over and then screwed tight. The men, the SS men were standing outside with a Red Cross wagon and they had the gas can...cans in the truck, in the...in the ambulance. He put a mask on, had to put a mask on, tore the lid off of the gas...of the...of the, um, the gas canister, threw it down the chute, through the chimney into the gas chamber. The crematorium two and...and three had two gas chutes. And as soon as he threw the gas in he slammed the lid shut, so the gas wouldn't escape. And all you could hear is one loud sound, "Shema..." [the Jewish declaration of faith] and that was all. And that took about five to ten minutes. In the door they had a little peephole with four or five layers of glass in between, and it was with bars so nobody could break the glass through. And when they turned on the light into the...in the...in the bunker, you could see whether the people were already dead or not. now for the ss -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From the statement of Hans Stark, registrar of new arrivals, Auschwitz. Quoted in "'The Good Old Days'" - E. Klee, W. Dressen, V. Riess, The Free Press, NY, 1988, p. 255: At another, later gassing--also in autumn 1941--Grabner* ordered me to pour Zyklon B into the opening because only one medical orderly had shown up. During a gassing Zyklon B had to be poured through both openings of the gas-chamber room at the same time. This gassing was also a transport of 200-250 Jews, once again men, women and children. As the Zyklon B--as already mentioned--was in granular form, it trickled down over the people as it was being poured in. They then started to cry out terribly for they now knew what was happening to them. I did not look through the opening because it had to be closed as soon as the Zyklon B had been poured in. After a few minutes there was silence. After some time had passed, it may have been ten to fifteen minutes, the gas chamber was opened. The dead lay higgledy-piggedly all over the place. It was a dreadful sight. * Maximillian Grabner, Head of Political Department, Auschwitz -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Testimony of SS private Hoeblinger. Extracted from "Der Auschwitz Prozess", by Hermann Langbein, Vol. I, quoted in "Auschwitz: Technique and operation of the gas chambers - J.C Pressac, the Beate Klarsfeld Foundation, NY, 1989, p. 174: I was detailed to the transport service and I drove the Sanka [abbreviation for Sanitatskraftwagon/medical truck] which was to carry the prisoners.... Then we drove to the gas chambers. The medical orderlies climbed a ladder, they had gas masks up there, and emptied the cans. I was able to observe the prisoners while they were undressing. It always proceeded quitely and without them suspecting anything. It happened very quickly. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Testimony of SS private Boeck. Extracted from "Der Auschwitz Prozess", by Hermann Langbein, Vol. I, quoted in "Auschwitz: Technique and operation of the gas chambers - J.C Pressac, the Beate Klarsfeld Foundation, NY, 1989, p. 181: Q: were you present at a gassing operation one day? A: Yes, it was one evening. I accompanied the driver Hoeblinger. A transport had arrived from Holland and the prisoners had to jump from the wagons. They were well-off Jews. There were women with Persian furs. They arrived by express train. The trucks were already there, with wooden steps before them, and the people climbed aboard. Then they all started off. In the place Birkenau once stood, there was only a long farmhouse (Bunker 2) and beside it four or five big huts. Inside, the people were standing on clothes which were building up on the floor. The block leader and the sergeant, carrying a cane, were there. Hoeblinger said to me 'lets go over there now'. There was a sign 'to disinfection'. He said 'you see, they are bringing children now'. They opened the door, threw the children in and closed the door. There was a terrible cry. A member of the SS climbed on the roof. The people went on crying for about ten minutes. Then the prisoners opened the doors. Everything was in disorder and contorted. Heat was given off. The bodies were loaded on a rough wagon and taken to a ditch. The next batch were already undressing in the huts. After that I didn't look at my wife for four weeks. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Testimony of SS-Unterscharfuehrer Pery Broad, describing gassing in Krema I in Auschwitz. Quoted in "KL Auschwitz as Seen by the SS", p. 176: ... The "disinfectors" were at work. One of them was SS-UnterscharfŸhrer Teuer, decorated with the Cross of War Merit. With a chisel and a hammer they opened a few innocuously looking tins which bore the inscription "Cyclon, to be used against vermin. Attention, poison! to be opened by trained personnel only!". The tins were filled to the brim with blue granules the size of peas. Immediately after opening the tins, their contents was thrown into the holes which were then quickly covered. Meanwhile Grabner gave a sign to the driver of a lorry, which had stopped close to the crematorium. The driver started the motor and its deafening noise was louder than the death cries of the hundreds of people inside, being gassed to death. Testimony of SS-UnterscharfŸhrer Schluch, In the Belzec-Oberhauser trial. Quoted in "BELZEC, SOBIBOR, TREBLINKA - the Operation Reinhard Death Camps", Indiana University Press - Yitzhak Arad, 1987, p. 70-71: After leaving the undressing barracks, I had to show the Jews the way to the gas chambers. I believe that when I showed the Jews the way they were convinced that they were really going to the baths. After the Jews entered the gas chambers, the doors were closed by Hackenholt himself or by the Ukrainians subordinated to him. Then Hackenholt switched on the engine which supplied the gas... I could see that the lips and tips of the noses were a bluish color. Some of them had their closed, other's eyes rolled. The bodies were dragged out of the gas chambers and inspected by a dentist, who removed finger rings and gold teeth... -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Testimony of SS-OberscharfŸhrer Kurt Bolender, In the Belzec-Oberhauser trial> [Quoted in "BELZEC, SOBIBOR, TREBLINKA - the Operation Reinhard Death Camps", Indiana University Press - Yitzhak Arad, 1987, p. 76: Before the Jews undressed, OberscharfŸhrer Michel made a speech to them. On these occasions, he used to wear a white coat to give the impression that he was a physician. Michel announced to the Jews that they would be sent to work, but before this they would have to take baths and undergo disinfection so as to prevent the spread of diseases... After undressing, the Jews were taken through the so-called Schlauch. They were led to the gas chambers not by the Germans but by the Ukrainians...After the Jews entered the gas chambers, the Ukrainians closed the doors. The motor which supplied the gas was switched on by a Ukrainian named Emil and by a German driver called Erich Bauer from Berlin. After the gassing, the door were opened and the corpses removed.... -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- SS-UntersturmfŸhrer Oberhauser on the death camp at Belzec. Quoted in 'The Good Old Days' - E. Klee, W. Dressen, V. Riess, The Free Press, NY, 1988., p. 228-230: The camp of Belzec was situated north-east of the Tomaszo'w to Lemberg [Lvov] road beyond the village of Belzec. As the camp needed a siding for the arriving transports the camp was built about 400 meters from Belzec station. The camp itself was divided into two sections: section 1 and section 2. The siding led directly from Belzec station into section 2 of the camp, in which the undressing barracks as well as the gas installations and the burial field were situated... The gassing of Jews which took place in Belzec camp up till 1 August 1942 can be divided into two phases. During the first series of experiments there were two to three transports consisting of four to six freight cars each holding twenty to forty persons. On the average 150 Jews were delivered and killed per transport. At that stage the gassings were not yet part of a systematic eradication action but were carried out to test and study closely the camp's capacity and the technical problems involved in carrying out a gassing... At the beginning of May 1942 SS-OberfŸhrer Brack from the FŸhrer's chancellery suddenly came to Lublin. With Globocnik he discussed resuming the extermination of the Jews. Globocnik said he had too few people to carry out this programme. Brack stated that the euthanasia programme had stopped and that the people from T4 would from now on be detailed to him on a regular basis so that the decisions taken at the Wannsee conference could be implemented. As it appeared that it would not be possible for the Einsatzgruppen to clear individual areas of Jews and the people in the large ghettos of Warsaw and Lemberg by shooting them, the decision had been taken to set up two further extermination camps which would be ready by 1 August 1942, namely Treblinka and Sobibor. The large-scale extermination programme [Vernichtungsaktion] was due to start on 1 August 1942. About a week after Brack had come to Globocnik, Wirth and his staff returned to Belzec. The second series of experiments went on until 1 August 1942. During this period a total of five to six transports (as far as I am aware) consisting of five to seven freight cars containing thirty to forty people came to Belzec. The Jews from two of these transports were gassed in the small chamber, but then Wirth had the gas huts pulled down and built a massive new building with a much larger capacity. It was here that the Jews from the rest of the transport were gassed. During the first experiments and the first set of transports in the second series of experiments bottled gas was still used for gassing; however, for the last transports of the second series of experiments the Jews were killed with the exhaust gases from a tank or lorry engine which was operated by Hackenholt. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Professor Wilhelm Pfannenstiel, Waffen-SS hygienist, on a gassing at Belzec. Quoted in 'The Good Old Days' - E. Klee, W. Dressen, V. Riess, The Free Press, NY, 1988., p. 238-244: When I am asked about executions of Jews I must confirm that on 19 August 1942 I witnessed an execution of Jews at Belzec extermination camp. I would like to describe how I came to be there. During my conversations with SS-Brigadefuehrer Globocnik, he told me about the large spinning-mills that he had set up in Belzec. He also mentioned that work at this camp would considerably outstrip German production. When I asked him where the spinning materials came from, he told me proudly that they had come from the Jews. At this point he also mentioned the extermination actions against the Jews, who for the most part were killed at the the camp at Belzec... During this first visit I was taken around by a certain Polizieihauptmann named Wirth, who also showed and explained to me the extermination installations at the camp. He told me that the following morning a new transport of about 500 Jews would be arriving at the camp who would be channeled through these extermination chambers. He asked me whether I would like to watch one of these extermination actions, to which, after a great deal of reflection, I consented. I planned to submit a report to the Reichsarzt-SS about the extermination actions. In order to write a report I had, however, first to observe an action with my own eyes. I remained in the camp, spent the night there and was witness to the following events the next morning. A goods train traveled directly into the camp of Belzec, the freight cars were opened and Jews whom I believe were from the area of Romania or Hungary were unloaded. The cars were crammed fairly full. There were men, women and children of every age. They were ordered to get into line and then had to proceed to an assembly area and take off their shoes... After the Jews had removed their shoes they were separated by sex. The women went together with the children into a hut. There their hair was shorn and they had to get undressed... The men went into another hut, where they received the same treatment. I saw what happened in the women's hut with my own eyes. After they had undressed, the whole procedure went fairly quickly. They ran naked from the hut through a hedge into the actual extermination centre. The whole extermination centre looked just like a normal delousing institution. In front of the building there were pots of geraniums and a sign saying "Hackenholt Foundation", above which there was a star of David. The building was brightly and pleasantly painted so as not to suggest people would be killed here... Inside the buildings, the Jews had to enter chambers into which was channeled the exhaust of a [100(?)]-HP engine, located in the same building. In it there were six such extermination chambers. They were windowless, had electric lights and two doors. One door led outside so that the bodies could be removed. People were led from a corridor into the chambers through an ordinary air-tight door with bolts. There was a glass peep-hole, as I recall, next to the door in the wall. Through this window one could watch what was happening inside the room but only when it was not too full of people. After a short time the glass became steamed up. When the people had been locked in the room the motor was switched on and then I suppose the stop-valves or vents to the chambers opened. Whether they were stop-valves or vents I would not like to say. It is possible that the pipe led directly to the chambers. Once the engine was running, the light in the chambers was switched off. This was followed by palpable disquiet in the chamber. In my view it was only then that the people sensed something else was in store for them. It seemed to me that behind the thick walls and door they were praying and shouting for help. Testimony of Treblinka's second commandant, Stangl. Quoted in "BELZEC, SOBIBOR, TREBLINKA - the Operation Reinhard Death Camps", Indiana University Press - Yitzhak Arad, 1987, p. 184: Michel [the sergeant-major of the camp] told me later that Wirth suddenly appeared, looked around on the gas chambers on which they were still working, and said: 'right, we'll try it out right now with those twenty-five working Jews. Get them up here'. They marched our twenty-five Jews up there and just pushed them in and gassed them. Michel said Wirth behaved like a lunatic, hitting at his own staff with his whip to drive them on... -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Willi Mentz testifies about his days in Treblinka. Quoted in 'The Good Old Days' - E. Klee, W. Dressen, V. Riess, The Free Press, NY, 1988., p. 245-247: When I came to Treblinka the camp commandant was a doctor named Dr. Eberl. He was very ambitious. It was said that he ordered more transports than could be "processed" in the camp. That meant that trains had to wait outside the camp because the occupants of the previous transport had not yet all been killed. At the time it was very hot and as a result of the long wait inside the transport trains in the intense heat many people died. At the time whole mountains of bodies lay on the platform. The Hauptsturmfuehrer Christian Wirth came to Treblinka and kicked up a terrific row. And then one day Dr. Eberl was no longer there... For about two months I worked in the upper section of the camp and then after Eberl had gone everything in the camp was reorganized. The two parts of the camp were separated by barbed wire fences. Pine branches were used so that you could not see through the fences. The same thing was done along the route from the "transfer" area to the gas chambers... Finally, new and larger gas chambers were built. I think that there were now five or six larger gas chambers. I cannot say exactly how many people these large gas chambers held. If the small gas chambers could hold 80-100 people, the large ones could probably hold twice that number... Following the arrival of a transport, six to eight cars would be shunted into the camp, coming to a halt at the platform there. The commandant, his deputy Franz, Kuettner and Stadie or Maetzig would be here waiting as the transport came in. Further SS members were also present to supervise the unloading: for example, Genz and Belitz had to make absolutely sure that there was no one left in the car after the occupants had been ordered to get out. When the Jews had got off, Stadie or Maetzig would have a short word with them. They were told something to the effect that they were a resettlement transport, that they would be given a bath and that they would receive new clothes. They were also instructed to maintain quiet and disciplined. They would continue their journey the following day. Then the transports were taken off to the so-called "transfer" area. The women had to undress in huts and the men out in the open. The women were than led through a passageway, known as the "tube", to the gas chambers. On the way they had to pass a hut where they had to hand in their jewelery and valuables. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Kurt Franz testifies on his days in Treblinka. Quoted in 'The Good Old Days' - E. Klee, W. Dressen, V. Riess, The Free Press, NY, 1988., p. 247-249: I cannot say how many Jews in total were gassed in Treblinka. On average each day a large train arrived. Sometimes there were even two. This however was not so common. In Treblinka I was commander of the Ukrainian guard unit as I had been in Belzec. In Treblinka as in Belzec the unit consisted of sixty to eighty men. The Ukrainians' main task was to man the guard posts around the camp perimeter. After the uprising in August 1943 I ran the camp more or less single-handedly for a month; however, during that period no gassings were undertaken. It was during that period that the original camp was demolished. Everything was leveled off off and lupins were planted... -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 13 Testimony of SS Oberscharfuehrer Heinrich Matthes about Treblinka. Quoted in "BELZEC, SOBIBOR, TREBLINKA - the Operation Reinhard Death Camps", Indiana University Press - Yitzhak Arad, 1987, p. 121: During the entire time I was in Treblinka, I served in the upper camp. The upper camp was that part of Treblinka with the gas chambers, where the Jews were killed and their corpses laid in large pits and later burned. About fourteen Germans carried out services in the upper camp. There were two Ukrainians permanently in the upper camp. One of them was called Nikolai, the other was a short man, I don't remember his name... These two Ukrainians who lived in the upper camp served in the gas chambers. They also took care of the engine room when Fritz Schmidt was absent. Usually this Schmidt was in charge of the engine room. In my opinion, as a civilian he was either a mechanic or a driver... All together, six gas chambers were active. According to my estimate, about 300 people could enter each gas chamber. The people went into the gas chamber without resistance. Those who were at the end, the Ukrainian guards had to push inside. I personally saw how the Ukrainians pushed the people with their rifle butts... The gas chambers were closed for about thirty minutes. Then Schmidt stopped the gassing, and the two Ukrainians who were in the engine room opened the gas chambers from the other side. All of the documents on this Web page were retrieved from the archives of Shamash: The Jewish Internet Consortium. The comments inside the square [ . . . ] brackets were written by Daniel Keren for the Shamash archives. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Testimony of SS ScharfŸhrer Erich Fuchs, in the Sobibor-Bolender trial, Dusseldorf. Quoted in "BELZEC, SOBIBOR, TREBLINKA - the Operation Reinhard Death Camps", Indiana University Press - Yitzhak Arad, 1987, p. 31-32: ....We unloaded the motor. It was a heavy Russian benzine engine, at least 200 horsepower. we installed the engine on a concrete foundation and set up the connection between the exhaust and the tube. I then tested the motor. It did not work. I was able to repair the ignition and the valves, and the motor finally started running. The chemist, who I knew from Belzec, entered the gas chamber with measuring instruments to test the concentration of the gas. Following this, a gassing experiment was carried out. If my memory serves me right, about thirty to forty women were gassed in one gas chamber. The Jewish women were forced to undress in an open place close to the gas chamber, and were driven into the gas chamber by the above mentioned SS members and the Ukrainian auxiliaries. when the women were shut up in the gas chamber I and Bolender set the motor in motion. The motor functioned first in neutral. Both of us stood by the motor and switched from "Neutral" (Freiauspuff) to "Cell" (Zelle), so that the gas was conveyed to the chamber. At the suggestion of the chemist, I fixed the motor on a definite speed so that it was unnecessary henceforth to press on the gas. About ten minutes later the thirty to forty women were dead. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From the testimony of SS-Unterscharfuehrer Wilhelm Bahr in his trial at Hamburg. Quoted in "Truth Prevails", ISBN 1-879437-00-7, p. 99: Q: Is it correct that you have gassed 200 Russian POW's with Zyklon-B? A: Yes, on orders. Q: Where did you do that? A: In Neuengamme [concentration camp]. Q: On whose order? A: The local doctor, Dr. Von Bergmann. Q: With what gas? A: With Prussic acid [another name for Zyklon-B]. Q: How long did the Russians take to die? A: I do not know. I only obeyed orders. Q: How long did it take to gas the Russians? A: I returned after two hours and they were all dead. Q: For what purpose did you go away? A: That was during lunch hour. Q: You left for your lunch and came back afterwards? A: Yes. Q: Were they dead when you came back? A: Yes. Q: Did you look at their bodies? A: Yes, because I had to load them. Q: Why did you apply the gas to the Russians? A: I only had orders to pour in the gas and I do not know anything about it. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- SS-Doctor Kremer at a hearing on 18 July 1947. Quoted in 'The Good Old Days' - E. Klee, W. Dressen, V. Riess, The Free Press, NY, 1988, p. 258: I remember I once took part in the gassing of one of these groups of women [from the women's camp in Auschwitz]. I cannot say how big the group was. when I got close to the bunker I saw them sitting on the ground. They were still clothed. As they were wearing worn-out camp clothing they were not left in the undressing hut but made to undress in the open air. I concluded from the behavior of these women that they had no doubt what fate awaited them, as they begged and sobbed to the SS men to spare them their lives. However, they were herded into the gas chambers and gassed. As an anatomist I have seen a lot of terrible things: I had had a lot of experience with dead bodies, and yet what I saw that day was like nothing I had ever seen before. Still completely shocked by what I had seen I wrote on my diary on 5 September 1942: "The most dreadful of horrors. Hauptscharf¬hrer Thilo was right when he said to me today that this is the 'anus mundi', the anal orifice of the world". I used this image because I could not imagine anything more disgusting and horrific. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Testimony of Magnus Wochner, SS guard at the Natzweiler Concentration Camp. Quoted in "The Natzweiler Trial", Edited by Anthony M. Webb, p. 89: ... I recall particularly one mass execution when about 90 prisoners (60 men and 30 women), all Jews, were killed by gassing. This took place, as far as I can remember, in spring 1944. In this case the corpses were sent to Professor Hirt of the department of Anatomy in Strasbourg. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Testimony of SS OberscharfŸhrer Erich Bauer Quoted in "BELZEC, SOBIBOR, TREBLINKA - the Operation Reinhard Death Camps", Indiana University Press - Yitzhak Arad, 1987, p. 77; Usually the undressing went smoothly. Subsequently, the Jews were taken through the "tube" to Camp III - the real extermination camp. The transfer through the "tube" proceeded as follows: one SS man was in the lead and five or six Ukrainian auxiliaries were at the back hastening the Jews along. The women were taken through a barracks where their hair was cut off. In Camp III the Jews were received by an SS man... As I already mentioned, the motor was then switched on by Gotringer and one of the auxiliaries whose name I don't remember. Then the gassed Jews were taken out. how odd that these people who were there unlike you. all agree that the gas chambers happened.

the people who died did not have the right to speak about there treatment in most of europe these view would result in jail time. i would recommend you study the law on incitement to racial and religious hatred. if these posting dont break this law what would. this being an english and welsh bill you can argue does not apply but if the shetlink forum is readable in the rest of the uk it falls within this law. an english or welsh pc can travel to scotland and arrest a person if they believe this law has been broken. allowing this c--p on the forum is i believe equal to you condoning the views expressed and this could leave shetlink open to prosicution. plus what about the standing of these islands if a protential visitor/ stayer reads them what do you think they are going to learn.

ive just read this post and i must say im shocked to say the least. im amazed that this thread was allowed to develope like it has. in fact it should have been closed down a long time ago. lets just draw you attention to a few points. lets see you post these comments in germany or austria it would be intrested to see what happened. the murders did not happen. intresting were are the people, were are the jewish people of france, belgium, holland, italy germany,austria, hungery, poland, Czechoslovakia,rumania, greece, ussr, and all the other states. did they all go on holiday. were are they. were are the other the roma, the communists, the gays. did they all run off to. these views are so so stupid if there is one thing we learn from history is that if we ignore it we will live to do it again, this post must be closed and removed it sickens me to think that any of the views posted here are believed. if they are then our education system needs rethinking. that the millions that died by the hands of there fellow man had to suffer what they did and then you and others of a simular mind(if that is the right word) deny there suffering. im sorry there is only one thing i can say shame. im very disappointed in the mods that you allowed this to continue.

and if you have a couple of grand for a tv good for you. some of us have to put up with cheap tat.

but some don't . whats the harm in stopping kids getting drunk make it a crime withstrong fines for the sellers and suppliers and use id cards for proof of age. shetlands heavy drinking is only starting to show up in the hospitals now lots of drink related deaths. it would be intresting to see the actual numbers of drink related deaths. i would not recommend anybody drinking surgical spirit very unwise. the wife has heard of wards were they have to remove the alchol hand wash from the wards when they have drinkers in. dont see why an 18 year old cant drink though. if they can vote die etc they can choose. maybe if you get drunk and then get nicked for something instead of a slap on the wrist get them up before the sheriff.

there are some islands in yell sound linking them up would not be 2.5km. whats the cost of maintaing the ferry service. this link is needed before bressays tunnel.

time to show us the research that shows your views would be safe. i can supply as much as you want that shows the drugs you want unbanning are dangerous. lets not go back to the medical drugs arguements again. just show me the evidence and i will be happy.

lot of fat people in bradford. no relation to our turbines. to get consent that close to houses there must be little noise. the planners would not have oked it else. so if they can build there whats the problem here. would not of thought bradford would have been very good i thought it was in a dip. some of the old factory chimneys must be that size. is there not a big wind farm on the north east coast next to a lot of houses.

its bradford. who cares

at least they won't need air conditioning. is there no electro magnetic radiation from the turbines. we are lucky that they wont be built on top of the houses. whats rhe impact of a couple of thousand turbines. why if the council are so keen on wind energy have they not built them to power the sports centres/pools. lets see if its viable on this scale and then move on from there. maybe we could look at green generation from the streams and tidal movements into some of the lochs. the one at weisedale seems to have a poerful flow. how about a road/causeway with turbines across yell sound. did the french not do something like that. the power production would help pay for it.