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  1. thanks paulb & certainly proven to date! "No truer word has e'er been said."
  2. Insulated Glass Units Markings: As previously mentioned the stamp on the glass of our existing double glazing is BS EN 12150-1. Online information states that this consists of: The product number for the type of glass BS EN 12150 = Thermally Toughened Soda Lime Silicate Safety Glass? The impact performance classification e.g. 1, 2 or 3 to BS EN 12600 or A, B or C to BS 6206. Although BS 6206 was withdrawn in 2006 it is still referenced in National Building Standards so is shown below for comparison purposes. The comparisons between the classification systems under BS 6206 and BS EN 12600
  3. Muckle Oxters certainly has a good een yunder hakama It wid maybe tack a Holey-Wood Blockbuster tae pit this topic back on ony original track?
  4. This thread has come along way on this forum but it has indeed deviated well from the original issue posted and the original question asked! So could it be the time as hakama suggests for something along the lines of Monty Python, at least that would provide some kind of comedy approach to something really serious i.e. not the Holy Grail, only our holey window?
  5. Belated thanks for that George! However I just wondered: Fensa: “The first and most well-known Competent Person Scheme for the window and door installation industry in England and Wales.” “Scotland got its own new Building Standards on the 1st March 2003 with the full implementation of Part J. This Building Standard requires an even higher performance level from a window than in England and Wales.” www.windowstoday.co.uk/part_j.htm So is there some Competent Person Scheme for Scotland?
  6. Hi paulb Many thanks for your input! Fensa was briefly discussed a few posts back with suffererof1crankymofo and it was discovered that it only applies to England & Wales. Hobbiniho thought the Scottish equivalent i.e. “the building regs wont have any effect on the warranty of the windows, the building regs are only worried about u value, ventilation requirements, emergency escape requirements and location of safety glass etc” Does anybody know if providing certifications or guarantee’s is the normal by the builders? They were certainly never given or offered by ours! The list I o
  7. Hello Nigel Bridgman-Elliot, I certainly can't comment on glazing units being rated up to 120mph winds but maybe others can? I can tell you that this glazing unit used to 'flex' its inner pane on certain occasions during our local windy weather periods? No water was ever noticed inside our unit but I can certainly see what you mean if it ever did and then froze!
  8. I thought the following from an Australian website quite interesting: Causes of exploding glass: Incorrect Installation: While glass is being moved and installed, it is easy for the glaziers to nick or chip the edges of the glass with various tools. These small nicks or chips may not result in immediate breakage. However, over time, as the glass expands and contracts, stress concentrations can develop around the nick, leading to breakage. In the case of tempered glass, the entire unit usually breaks. Binding in the frame: Glass expands and contracts with changes in temperature, so almos
  9. Hello again paulb, The broken glazing is almost 3yrs old, we in fact paid the majority of that renovation billing in September 2016. It is suspected that the glazing unit was 6mm x 4mm Toughened Safety Glass but our paperwork does not tell us any detail, the supplier/contractor/builder has shown no interest, the supplier/distributor says its too old to be found in his paperwork and the manufacturer won't deal directly with the public only with whoever in the trade purchased & ordered it. I know you only gave the links to those companies as examples and fully understand that you are
  10. Many thanks for the information paulb! Yes, I also want to know why it broke as well but without utilising some kind of expertise in that type of field it may never be known? Nickel Sulphide Inclusions (NiS) have been suggested but that has never (as yet) been confirmed and structural movement simply isn’t visible. I've waited most of the day for certain information from both these companies (see paulb's links) but sadly still wait, so have decided to post my findings so far: Looking on the links paulb has kindly supplied, I've found prices for our possible replacement by estimating some
  11. Hello again Hobbiniho Yes, you are perfectly correct i.e. ours does qualify for the use of toughened glass being less than 800mm from the floor. While you're on, do you think the glazing units in paulb's £309 example is more likely to be laminate and any idea where one can purchase them?
  12. Hi paulb You seem to be one in the know regarding certain glazing prices, can you enlighten us any as to where these examples are available? What type of glass would be in the triple glazed units you've mentioned? I certainly agree that a grand for the glass and fitting is very OTT but it would probably be because of the type of glass used e.g. 6mm x 6mm, Heat Soaked, Thermally Toughened Soda Lime Silicate Safety Glass would surely carry the major part of its total?
  13. Good to hear from you again Suffererof1crankymofo, The estimated cost of +/-£1000 was given because: The original window was suspected to be 6mm glass outside & 4mm inside? A quote which has already been supplied for its replacement is for a 6mm both sides glazing unit and is in excess of £560 including its VAT but this quote has not allowed for any 'Heat Soaked' Toughened Glass nor for the work of removing & replacing those glazing units. The exact size of the 'shattered' glazing unit hasn't actually been established but if the 1400mm x 1500mm roughly taken is any kind of clue
  14. Although that forum's thread had been closed, I decided to try contact with the contributor and see if I could find out a little more, not long afterwards I received the following reply: "The window was by Selectaglaze. I was lucky because I live in a Housing Association property. It had just been refurbished including the windows and I was able to speak to the builder in charge and he sorted it for me, dealing with the company who were still selling him windows for the rest of the street to be refurbished. You may have to threaten court action."
  15. I found the following on another forum that was about rented accommodation, it was dated 2017 but sadly the thread has since been closed: "I had the internal window of a secondary glazed window spontaneously break a few months ago. That too was caused by a nickel sulphide inclusion and it was replaced by the window company as they agreed it was a latent fault. The landlord should be dealing with it with the manufacturer but if they refuse you have to consider how far you want to fight it."
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