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Not keen on those bar peenuts either daveh.
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AT wrote: "Viking Energy went out and surveyed the site, quantified the degraded peat and used that as the basis for their calculations. Instead of using models, they used REALITY. Surely everyone can understand that this is a better way of doing things?" After reading JMac's post it seems Viking Energy reality is very different from - hmm - REALITY.
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1. The original carbon payback model VE used in their 2009 planning application is NOT based on pristine bog. It's the standard model, so all windfarms can be compared on their carbon payback time. It didn't bring VE the expected results, so they devised their own. 2. In order to achieve their 1 year carbon payback in their addendum, VE assume full restoration of the site. When I read through the addendum I lost count of the times "assumed" is used. Far too much is based pure speculation. Their carbon payback calculations do not stand up to robust scrutiny. 3. Regarding financial and other calculations, there's a column of figures in the addedum, a "fully vetted" document according to A. Wishart, with the following calculation: 9+9+6 = 23. That says it all.
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There's one rule for AT and another rule for other contributors on this thread it seems. He generously allows others to have opinions but doesn't allow them to present their own facts, while he continuously presents his own opinion as fact. " Large areas of the windfarm consist of eroded or degraded peat" etc. according to AT. Just how large are these "large areas"? Where exactly are they? Are the degraded areas vegetated? If so, to what extent? How much carbon do they emit p.a.? etc.etc. Please enlighten us, so we can all enter into "meaningful discussion" with you. Earlier on in this thread AT stated that the windfarm site is a net carbon emitter - presented as a fact, not as an opinion. I've asked him to provide me with scientific evidence for this. I'm still waiting. Get your facts right AT and if you can't then at least have the decency to present these "facts" as your opinion. I'm getting a little concerned about you. Given your recent post script disclaimer on SN, it seems even your WSG friends are getting concerned about you.
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I find Ghostrider's generalisations objectionable. "hidden bloodlust" might "lurk" in him. It certainly does not lurk in me. In future, please speak for yourself and not for others on this forum.
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Ghostrider, fleabee et al are behaving just like the bonxies and blackbacks (peck, peck, peck). Should there be a cull?
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I've just come back from visiting friends in Argyll where the cinema comes to the people ( www.screenmachine.co.uk ). A large truck travels around the country side and the isles and folds out into a cinema - pure magic. It's made me realise just how obsessed we are with "flag ship" projects after the motto "the more it costs the better it must be", and how socially exclusive Mareel actually is. We have the money, but we seem to lack the imagination and do nothing or very little to assure social inclusion. Yes, we do have ferries, but where are the other transport links to get folk to and from Lerwick at night?? You don't have to live on one of the outer isles to be totally excluded from all evening entertainment in town. There are no or very few buses out of Lerwick at night to rural areas. Where does that leave folk who don't have a car? Those on low incomes and benefits can't afford to run cars, let alone take taxis. They have difficulties getting to the local shops and doctor's surgeries in a place that according to our councillors has one of the highest living standards in the country.
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Israel vs. Middle Eastern Arab states
euripides replied to Njugle's topic in National & International News
I believe - please correct me if I'm wrong - that we've already had a "longer, bigger list" - ad nauseam - from you on this thread. As for your invitation to bring my own thoughts and arguments, thanks but no thanks. In my long experience I've always found it infinitely more stimulating, fruitful, rewarding and exciting to enter into debate with open-minded, creative and intellectually flexible individuals. Aplogies for not including you in this category. -
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Great post Xoni. At least some clarity and rationality in this debate - interestingly something Gibber finds "distracting" and "a slog". -
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euripides replied to Atomic's topic in National & International News
Pessimist = well informed optimist? -
"Transition". A figure anybody?? Even a rough estimate??
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euripides replied to Atomic's topic in National & International News
Thanks for your reply AT. It doesn't answer my question. There's no doubt that global warming is happening, but climate change science is relatively young. IMHO the North African example demonstrates that there are unknowns out there that haven't been taken on board (yet?) in long-term warming forecasts. Nor have temperatures in the last decade risen in line with the earlier forecasts. Any science should be open to scepticism and robust examination from the inside and the outside. Using words like "bull...t, lies, distortion, slander" to deal with any suggestion that not everything fits in with present climate change models and forecasts cheapens this important debate. -
How long is this "transition" going to last AT?
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I've just clicked on this thread and must say that IMHO everybody on it is barking up the wrong tree. It's not global population figures and forecasts we should worry about but per capita consumption of global resources. Populations in developed countries might be shrinking, but per capita consumption - even if some of use low energy lightbulbs and buy locally - is vastly higher than per capita consumption in developing countries. We throw away about 30% of the food we buy each year - the USA alone dumps 11billion pounds of fruit and veg every year. Maybe somebody on this thread could find out what the annual energy consumption for a family in California is compared to that of a family in Bangladesh? That's where the problem lies. The developed world has lived well by exploiting the developing world for too long. The ball is in OUR court. "There is enough for everyone's need but not enough for everyone's greed." (Mohandas K. Gandhi)
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Climate Change & Global Warming
euripides replied to Atomic's topic in National & International News
AT is absolutely right, it's the underlying trend that's relevant. I'm beginning to feel a bit like a voice in the wilderness on this thread. Could somebody please respond to my post, last post on page 60? Thanks -
Thanks for that Njugle. As I said, I looked at all KTL posts and couldn't find the one Stirrer "quoted". "Putting a twist on things" sounds cool, even cooler if you add a cocktail umbrella. It's one of those strange linguistic phenomena where the noun is so very different from the verb. what you call putting a twist on things i call twisting the truth.
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I've looked through all the posts by KTL in good faith, but couldn't find the one quoted by Stirrer (23.3. 10.48, page 2 of this thread). This didn't come as a surprise, as the post quoted is obviously a product of wishful thinking on Stirrer's part. It's good to have some banter on Shetlink, and to stir things up now and again, but I find contributions like the fictional KTL post distasteful and lacking in respect for the Shetlink member targeted in this way. No matter how it's done, it's never good to put words into folks' mouths. Maybe some folk find Stirrer's contribution about KTL funny, but I certainly wouldn't like to be at the receiving end of them. I find them disturbing to say the least. IMHO some of Stirrer's posts are sailing a bit close to the wind - no pun intended - (see his account of the SIC VE Planning Consultation Lerwick Meeting on the VE windfarm thread). I'm actually wondering if these posts could be libelous, and I would like to hear the SL moderators' opinion on this. On a lighter note, I'm beginning to wonder if Stirrer is actually a bonafide VE supporter. I have a sneaking suspision that he's a tool in a Sustainable Shetland dirty tricks campaign, acting as their first Agent Provocateur ( in the political sense of the phrase), working to discredit WSG, helping to swing public opinion against VE, and recruiting new members. He's doing a great job - I feel tempted to join.
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I wasn't at any of these meetings but heard from folk who were that they were really well chaired and everybody was very polite. Does that mean we're to take the rest of stirrer's observations with a pinch or even bucket of salt? Could he/she be classed as an unreliable witness???
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SIC VE Planning Consulatation Outcomes: Brae 58 against, 18 for, 5 undecided Aith 110 against, 15 for, 3 undecided Dunrossness 60 against, 14 for, 4 undecided Lerwick 106 against, 49 for, 2 undecided care to comment on that AT?
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Thanks for asking that question Paulb. It's been claimed that VE proposed site or all of Shetland's peatland is a net carbon emitter. CAN SOMEBODY PLEASE PROVIDE SOME SCIENTIFIC PROOF FOR THIS CLAIM - where is Arabia Terra when we need him?
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What about the expense to our own environment joenorth?
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Don't know of any hills in Shetland that are permantly ungrazed. There's been a significant reduction in hill sheep from a scheme financed by the EU I think to stop over-grazing and that is beginning to show on many hills in Shetland. Would be interesting to find out how much the sheep population has declined over the past 10 years. I also know crofters who take their sheep off a piece of hill for while to give it a chance to recover. There's a fine line betweeen grazing and over-grazing. Over-grazed heather eventually dies. I remember a lot of heather going grey a number of years back and staying grey after the winter because of overgrazing. And where's the money coming from? What IUCN is trying to achieve is government investment to restore and protect peatland, that's where the money should come from. IMHO it would be idiotic not to go for this, as it's the most sensible thing that can be done to slow down global warming without spending a fortune. Don't have much hope though, as heather restoration hardly makes fat profits.
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To follow your line of argument Paulb, does this mean rainforests are a waste unless they're cut down for timber so they "produce"?
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Fuel not brunt? GB-cheese, I posted an answer to your question on Climate Change and Global Warming thread.
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euripides replied to Atomic's topic in National & International News
GB-cheese, don't you think that if the fuel savings at the power station are significant VE wouldn't be shouting from the roof tops by now? Their silence on this subject speaks volumes. You could post the question on their website and see what comes back. Good luck.