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  1. @ Peeriebryan: That ... "oooops thingy" was added in the process of typing and just to indicate that I didn't want to be read and understood wrong for the rest - for which I agree with your say. Ooops - it's to late again but I guess what you understood ...
  2. agreed, is other "transfer" than "assignment" part of Brit/Scot legislation? As far as I know: No. agreed absolutely no prob as far as I see to it, proper quotes and references provided Well, you are right, that might be difficult and depending on the country under which jurisdiction you are. I don't know the UK/Scot jurisdiction in such cases but compared with what had happened actually with Shetlopedia content (copying complete pages/topics and republishing them without proper or no reference at all by wikipedia) lead to different reactions over here. No need to go into details but since then the foundation invested into its German based servers only as much as was absolutely neccessary to keep them running. The case isn't finally judged as far as I know. Might be, but tell me how, please. Since the old CC-licences have been retired in July 2007 we do have the following situation: a) wikipedia (and others, to be fair) are still accepting 4, 6, or 8 CC licenses depending on your country although the CreativeCommons Organization has published in June 2007 that FSF (wikipedia) does accept only 2 licences, CC-BY and CC-BY-SA-2.0 both defining work as work under a copyright, that would be UK/Scot copyright c) ... and that is the 'crucial' point which you might easily check following up various forums where well known wikipedian admins do recommend that CC licences not refering to puter proggis should be dealt like GNU licences. And that's exactly how the en:WP acted on the 10th September and later with regard to Shetlopedia stuff. Noo then and far beyond Shetlopedia an example that happened "to me" ... well, it hit my publisher, to whom I has assigned some of my copyrights, not me ... My publisher (DuMont, Cologne) - posted to the web a .pdf-file under copyright showing some original pages of my last guide to Orkney & Shetland - that .pdf-file was illegaly copied and republished on a US website under under copyright cc-by licenced - three days later 2 pics which I had uoloaded before under my copyright to wikimedia were requested for immediate deletion because I was "violating" licencing regulations - by a poor cap of a Swedish wikipedia-admin who later acknoledged that his English language capacity was to small to follow up either the original wikipedia help advices or and my comments on that. In the end the pics were deleted and I gave up to contribute to wikicommons ... Sorry Peeriebryan (it isn't ment in that harsh way I do type it on the keyboard as a none-native speaker ), but where in hell are we to give up our genuine rights which we do offer to the best affordable to this entirely US based philosophy and hords of innocent debils who deal with it ... ??? We might add the one or other thingy to the copyright page on Shetlopedia, something in my personal interest like "free for educational use and research" ... but I do see the well accepted reasons not to be exploited suitable to anyone around the globe. *ironic switch on* We are talking about Shetland ... unfortunately not known to the Hitchhikers Guide to the Universe which only mentions "Planet Earth" as "mostly harmless". So, in accordance to the standards of what was regarded as the most powerfull nation on that planet you are legally entitled to exploit the local heritage and knowledge of that place ... *ironic switch off*
  3. You are wrong! No prob at all, you are welcome. Simply the prob of somehow communicating none-native speakers ... That "all rights reserved" thingy was already discussed above; its not neccessary under EU/Brit/Scot copyright but for parts of the remaining world. It's actually the reason where all that US licensing is based on incl. Creative Commons for example. Not specified (US) copyright being equal with all rights reserved. To avoid that US right allows licencing ... but now it becomes curios with regard to none-US copyrights. All "work" to which any CC-license refers is: So what copyright at all ... ??? For a site under EU/Brit/Scot copyright it isn't neccessary. All what's on the Setlopedia copyright page is more than enough to express the will ... Shetlopedia to be registered under US copyright just to show a CC-license??? ... with the only two CC licences which would have absolutely been fitting for Shetlopedia (former CC-Sampling in combination with CC-NonCommercial) been ritiered in July 2007 (under hard presure of FSF (wikipedia) and DFSG (Linux)) ... :-D
  4. Folks, can we agree on one thing, please. Talking here about copyright means talking about UK copyright - otherwise the chaos would be perfect. Eg 'fair use' isn't a term used within the UK legislation. The UK 'partly-equivalent' is 'fair dealing' which is far more restrictive and in favour of the originator than the US 'fair use'. The same is with the German 'moral implications' which covers nearly the same than the UK 'fair dealing' - no miracle at all because both the legislations are based in the same EU legislation. The problem is that all these European clauses are rejected under GNU which is entirely based in US law. Also, it is not neccessary to attribute copyright to the individual authors of collaborative articles. In this point UK and German copyright legislation take the same position. The problem here is: The first sentence is right. The second sentence is only right with regard to all actions other than quotations. For quotations: Both UK and German copyright legislation incorporate the EU legislation that's mostly based on WIPO standards which refer amongst others to the Bern Convention or more correct the Revised Bern Convention and from that the mode how to qoute properly is clear: Where there are more than 3 authors it is A + B + C et. alt.: Title of the article, published in (name of linked website), date. Of course it would imply that you have to click on the history of the page but you are free to choose the first 3 contributers or the last 3 contributers or those who have contributed the biggest part or any other thre. You are only bound to make it clear in a way similar to the above that you are quoting from a collaborative work with more genuine copyrightholders involved than shown - end of the story No! ... oooooppps ... That's the American point of view which is underlying the whole US legislation including GNU and wikipedia. Both the British and German copyright legislation - like the legislation in most of the western European states - do have the copyright as a genuine right of the author, that's to say right in the moment when the idea leaves my (only one working) braincell and becomes materialized in writing or any other form of materialization the copyright in that work is automatically vested in (simplified: owned by) the person who put the concept into material form ... where under the 1988 Act as amended, databases are considered to be literary works. Nevertheless the formulation 'This website and its content is copyright of Shetlopedia' is absolutely correct because website and content are more than the sum of the contributions by individual authors, but again, it does not imply the need for any licencing or claiming individual copyrights or showing individual copyright tags like the ©. The material copyright is vested in the auther as is the crown copyright vested in the crown. [edit]Taking action: Fighting back copyright violations is first of all a job of the individual copyright holder. Despite that: The holder of the website copyright is free to act in all those cases which are not bound to individual copyrights. He is also free to act like an editor and / or the publisher wherever he sees the rights of the website being affected by violating individual copyrights of the authors. [end of edit] Peeriebryan is right where he says the formula "all rights reserved" is a bit outfashioned and even more: Within the European world its abolutely unneccessary. On the other hand if you don't want to see your site being exploited commercially it is neccessary for example if you do intend to avoid republishing under the lashy rules of US 'fair use'. As I see it it, it was at no time intended to keep the whole internet away from Shetlopedia (bdw my only working braincell says that would be an absolute idiotic attempt). What was intended is the same as Peeriebryan has it in the last sentence plus the expressed wishes to see Shetlopedia not being exploited for any commercial purposes and the thereof remaining problem that neither GNU-GFDL nor the CC licences which are the only ones accepted by wikipedia don't allow that ... or would you like to see Shetlink mirrored on the website of your local 'blue pill dealer' thus helping him to increase his profits ??? ...
  5. JUST SPEAKING ON MY OWN @Freya, if that's a problem for you then be assured, it is entirely yours, not mine ... I don't need to get paid when working just for fun and together with (newly found) friends ... For the rest of the matter two quotes from wikipedia (to give a few examples): That ended up in: i) the wikipwdia Shetland Bus article, showing a reference "This article incorporates text from the article Shetland Bus on Shetlopedia ..." - discussable though the existing article is for more than 90% copied & pasted from Shetlopedia ... ii) the wikipedia Yoal article, showing a reference "This article incorporates text from the article Yoal on Shetlopedia ..." although the article is for 100% copied & pasted from Shetlopedia ... iii) the wikipedia Sixareen article with no reference at all although the article is again for 100% copied & pasted from Shetlopedia ... All the three pages in between appearing on commercial websites using wikipedia mirror sites ... of course without giving proper credits. Sorry folks, but that's what I use to call "unfriendly overtaking" or "exessive exploitation" of local knowledge ...
  6. To me it sounds like rumor ... I don't know about any concerns of OTB which were expressed and/or published during the 'consultation process' or the poll carried out by OIC ... All I do know is that there were some concerns if the Orkney flag would be flown as national flag at the stern of a boat. There was a little bit of discussion about getting mixed up with the Norwegian flag with the original design showing a darker shade of red and the associated prob of distinguishing yellow and white around the blue Scandinavian cross ... 17th May is probably more intensively celebrated in Orkney (with the public service in St Magnus Cathedral, the regular visit of the Staatsrad Lemkuhl, (often a second Navy boat visiting Stromness)) and the street parade in Kirkwall (flying Norwegian flags all around the town) ... mostly dependend on the close relationship with the folks of Hardaland and St Magnus Cathedral and the more private connections between Queen Mum as patron of the kirk and King Olav over the last century ... Especially in the 1970/1980ies the 17th of May had the character of an additional "bank holliday" at least for Kirwall ... Despite that: Even in the days of the Norönna service tourism figures were well below the Shetland figures as far as I know ...
  7. Not sure about that, Styles ... unfortunately ... You would of course get back the area where you might fish according to your own rules as long and as much as you want. That's not the problem. The problem simply is: Where to land and sell a catch that is not in accordance with either the EU overall take out quota and / or the EU import quotas ? To the US in the west, Russia in the east, none EU associated African states in the south ? Even for your farmed fish (let it be salmon, white fish or mussels) you would have to queue in line with all the other countries exporting fish to the EU. So, what might it be worth to get the area back but risking possible advantages for market access instead ? No change with regard to EU bureaucratism - you would just have to talk to different officials of the same kind - but with an unknown amount of costs for market development with potential competitors like Norway and Iceland being are far ahead of you.
  8. Sorry, Styles, which Scandinavian countries? Danmark, Sweden and Finland are full members of the EU with Finland being a full member of the Euro zone, too, Sweden bound by the Maastrich Treaty to become a full member of the Euro zone and only Danmark rejected to become a member of the Euro zone. Switzerland: Right, formally it is not a member of the EU but we do have the bilateral EU-Swizz-Treaties I & II defining the status of Switzerland as 'to be considered as a member' with regard to nearly all economic and social aspects - including the European customs union, the Schengen or Dublin agreements and including the Swizz share to the funding of the EU extension to eastern Europe (Erweiterungsbeitrag or Contribution à l’élargissement). So what? Of course nobody would stop trading with Scotland should you ever leave the EU - but things would become more difficult and thus in the end more expensive. Actually there is a lot of complaints about beaurocratism but just look at the actual treatmant of the MFD affair: Being in the EU it is difficult to work out how to react but you are entitled to make use of the full set of rules incl. the definition of exemptions - that's to say Shetland farmers are allowed to carry the lambs to the Scottish mainland. Not being a member you would have to stay on the other side of the closed door and you simply would have to wait until the Brussel bureaucracy will react and might open it again - may be March or May next year but by then the farmers would be bancrupt without getting EU subsidies or refunding for the culling losses in the worst of case!
  9. £44,525 for a 6-berth caravan site ... I couldn't believe it ... Therefor, I asked some of my former colleagues ... For a hard stand caravan berth with seperately metered e-pitch and water tap and including access and 'just standard' to get building permission (lights, additional toiletts & showers, waste disposal point with seperated chemical and waste water disposal) it's just 8,75% more per berth than the planners do calculate over here ... and that might be due to the small number of berths (standard calculation figures here are based on a site of 20 berths what makes some fixed costs less important on a per berth ratio). Surprise, surprise ...
  10. Mousa Broch was my favorite for the first 10 years visiting Shetland ... after a midsummerview as described by helsbells Scalloway Castle followed ... For the last 15 years or so my absolute favorite was Lunna House, here not only the house but the whole setting of the house and its neighbouring buildings within the 18th/19th century landscaped area. It doesn't look like that - and that makes it so sympathic - but there was more than one 'local genius' working ... Unique for Shetland and with its 'natural growth' by adding one haa to an existing and then a third two the former two ... changing angles only but sticking strictly to local building traditions instead of replacing the whole lot by a 'modern' Paladian or Baronial styled new building is unique for the whole of Scotland. That's local heritage of the finest kind ...
  11. Sorry, David, don't fool your own folks. Do you really want to make them believe that the British renewal energy market as an integrated part of the European renewal energy market is playing along the rules of the actual "UK regulatory regime" . Costs for line-entry ... feed-in ... using existing networks for distribution ??? The options for market access, cost for market access &c will be discussed somewhere else when it comes to terms but probably not according to the UK regulatory regime ... If that would be a problem "subject to national solutions" we definately wouldn't have the problems over here: Average household costs for energy supply increasing the more renewable energy is supplied (from tail-feeding windfarms) to the net ... whether you buy "green energy" or not ...
  12. *rofl* and even that deal will once been seriously questioned by the EU-commission ... when I follow up "continental standards" or "EU standards" ... It's simply an arrangement of 'money-washing' ... or of further 'money spoiling' ... Again, I'll ask David T. or other folks who published their glorious ideas in favour of that devlopment: Have you really never risked a look at the continent??? ... and what going on there with regard to allowed capital shares, transmitting costs &c ...??? Note: There are a lot of idiots within the Brussel's beaucracy ... but a few clever chaps ...
  13. ... suggest to do a little ride out to the countryside and look out for sings like this: http://shetlopedia.com/Image:PicVeensgarth.jpg ... http://shetlopedia.com/Image:PicVeensgarth.jpg Well, it's 4 years ago that I did the shot and I don't know whether or not such signs still exist ... ... but I do hope so ...
  14. It's really funny to watch the debate from outside ... That's just what folks like Mr Hill do expect: to be a focal point of interest and discussion. If you don't like the Newsletter bring it to the next shop, company or any other advertiser and tell them that you don't want to be molested by this kind of advertisement and ask them to send it back ... The same should be applied to any other of his "publications" like the blogs ... just ignore it. ... and for the rest: stopp discussion and ignore any further comments. That's the only thing such folks can't stand or survive.
  15. Well, derick, that's right, Salmond is playing the "national card". As far as electricity export is concerned, that might be a chance indeed, but to discuss the advantages of a Shetland-Norway-Continent-Link is no genuine idea of SNP ... it was discussed since the Canada-Iceland-Norway/Continent link is under discussion, that's to say by the none-Scottish industry since 1995. What you forget to mention (why?): As a result of the SNP announcement to play the national card instead of the regional as far as Scottish Foreign Affairs are concerned the Bavarian parliament will be confronted with a motion after the summer break, to cut down the money for the Bavaria-Scotland-Friendship and Co-op Agreement by some 30 to 50%. So, what is Salmond's answer if all the other European regions he blew on their head will react in similar ways? Independent Scotland within the EU without the backing of the regions which are in similar positions, without using their influence on the general national politics of their states? The influence of Bavaria on the German politics, Tyrol on both Austrian and Italian, Slovenia on the politics of all the Balkans, Basque in both France and Spain, the influences of the Baltic states on the politics of the Czech Republic and Poland ... &c He should go back to his office and do some deskwork before he starts a new Darien project ... at least he should read and learn how it ended up ...
  16. Right, Malachy, the critics do say so. I found it easier to read The Pirate than other works by Scott ... and enjoyed it. The Shetland connection: That was just the point of which I was a bit disappointed. If you know his account of his "Voyage to Nova Zembla and the Lord knows where ..." that's to say the account of his tour to Shetland with Stevenson, having in mind by whom he was accompanied and with whom he met in Shetland ... and all the "Tohuwabohu" later made around the complex of "Scott's Jarlshof" ... then there is only little of the Shetland connection to be discovered in The Pirate ...
  17. They have just made Flow Country a new Natural Nature Reserve ... but reading all the news about landslides the whole north off Inverness seems to be a "flowing country" ... fortunately no houses or settlements were hit so far (except at Pennan, the plot of the film Local Hero which was partly destroyed with no casualties) but last month a hillside probably 10 times of this came down in Orphir/Orkney in a smaller distance to the next farm ...
  18. So friends are on the night train to Vienna ... Agreed - as a principle of privacy policy for a local community forum. On the other hand I'm convinced that locals do have some right to know, who in hell is mixing in from outside ... and it's absolutely ok as far as I'm concerned. No prob at all. Not at all. The little prob is that just today shetlopedia is down, otherwise I would have placed a link to my user page there ... same nick, in case someone wants to look tomorrow ... Nowadays that's right. In better times it was just 1/2 an hour bicycle ride to the train station, 1/2 bicycle ride to Hanstholm pier to catch the old Norönna ... next morning you passed by Sumburgh Head and Foula ... well, the morning thereafter you had the hard job to cycle from Holmsgarth pier to Clickimin camping site ... ... at least "uncertain". Since 1st August I'm enjoying the 'new freedom of early retirement' due to some health probs (caught some nasty bugs when working in San Pedro Sula / Honduras ages ago) which do hinder me at the moment to travel physically ... Well, aged 58, I do hope so ... although "the varnish has gone" as we use to say here ... The rest in shorthand: - studied geography, German literature and lingustics, social siences ... wanted to become a teacher but gave up when I decovered the beaurocracy behind the job - professional career: research and consultancy in the wider range of housing, urban renewal, reconstruction and development, later regional development (less favoured areas; tourism) both on national and international level - after the runion of the two Germanies founded a new business with some friends as free lance consultants to trade unions, the newly formed local authorities and non profit businesses within the former GDR and later in the new EU member states covering (within the team) the whole range from office management to man power development and professional training. - now and although officially retired backstopper and "fire fighter" for that team trying to keep the girls in the home office busy ... Because I had to travel a lot for the job I decided that my holiday destination has to be cooler, wetter and windier than most of the places I had to visit ... that's why I ended up in Scotland and in Orkney and Shetland in particular some 30 years ago. For more details, please, feel free and visit me on Shetlopedia ...
  19. ... in short for now because I want to visit a pub with some friends from Thurso ... Well, the last time that I 'wrote da news' is some 45 years ago - that was our monthly school paper ... ... and yes, I'm living in Hamburg. Go to http://maps.google.de/ and search for > Hamburg Suhrenkamp 4 < (it's not the actual address but that shows the best result). I'm just now in that Z-shaped building below the marker, look at the lower horizontal bar ... extrem RHS the window that is partly covered by the tree standing in front of it ... cheers ... read you tomorrow ... friends are calling
  20. ... so it was published over here ...
  21. Right, but that feature isnt't mentioned in any of the records. Note: The zoom in with the map doesn't work with IE when clicking on Shetland ... The offered solution (entering ctrl+F5) doesn't work either ... Best is: Click three or fourtimes on Orkney, than choose the "hand-symbol" and move manually to Shetland ... then the zoom in will work for all of Shetland, too ...
  22. We had similar discusions over here some years ago, when horses were (simplified) classified as "cars with four hooves". Over the years it got balanced. In principal it is the same whether you hand out your car or your horse for a third party use. If you hand it out to someone who can't drive or ride (and you have known about) it's your prob, if you hand out to someone who should know but did missuse either the car or the horse then it is his/her prob. If nobody can be traced as the actual user of the car or horse then it is the prob of your insurance covering your risks as owner. That indeed had some impacts on insurance rates but after some times things stabilized. Many friends have their horses here insured by British companies because they are much cheaper than the Germans or Austrians and in case something happens they hand over the case to the insurance companies as they would do in case of an accident with their cars ...
  23. Right, Fjool, the problem is not whether we can feed the planet to 'our level', the problem simply that we do have to rethink 'our level' and 'our standards'. The world doesn't need 'our level and standard'. I guess you have never heard about the "Hamburg dining table", a voluntary action which started some years ago collecting food products from hotels, MacDonalds and supermarkets - not food that was already on offer, but products and prepared food which was ordered but could not be sold untile the "best before" date. Today in the most wealthiest town of the EU some 30,000 people are depending on that food: poor families with children, homeless people, Asian sailors or Russian truck drivers whose ships are chained or who don't find a retour load. At least the latters do live far below 'our levels' but far beyond the levels their families at home. New potatoes are a fine thing - but do wee need new potatoes in the early spring and new potatoes during the winter??? Well knowing that 'our level', 'our standard' ends up in a missuse if not destroying of arable land in the countries of origin which could be used for the production of food for the local markets! Sorry, but a friend of mine is just in the international potatoe business now buying "Saudi" potatoes grown in Sudan, "Chinese" potatoes grown Northern Korea, "Canadian" and "American" potatoes grown in Mexico and Chile just to keep 'our level' of enjoying Burger King's fastfood with pommes frites according to 'our standards' of everage length and width of the potatoe sticks (because MacDonalds and Burger King &c refuse to produce their chips from potatoe flakes like the Belgians do). These folks of the named producing countries for examle, who can't feed their families from their own farms will 'move' some day ... to me that's as sure as the midges move to the North due to global climate change ...
  24. Not really. The EU just does what the member states do anyway when suitable. They ignore for example national boundaries when it comes to the question of risk management. Northern Ireland (although part of the UK) this time isn't affected but would be affected in case of an outbreak in the Irish Republic and the other way round. The same would happen to some Austrian areas which don't have a connection to Austria but are linked by road to Germany ... the same is with flood risk management between Germany & Poland along the river Oder when it comes to exeptional floodings like a couple of years ago ... or fishery protection along the Esk (Dumfriesshire (?)) which is a "Scottish river under English right and management" ... Hundreds of exemptions bilaterally agreed between national governments neighbouring along all borders which are followed by the EU.
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