George.

This is an interesting article that was linked to from a Shetland Times letter (the letter was about kids walking on frozen lochs).
https://www.shetlandtimes.co.uk/2009/11/08/history-the-turnbull-tragedies
A friend was telling me it was an oft-repeated story in their house when they were growing up.

If a country of 5 million can't manage independence I don't see how a county of 23,00 are going to manage.
Thanks.  I have enjoyed the "battle"!

Incorrect. The UK and Denmark have opt-outs so don’t have to join the Euro. The seven countries without an opt-out and not already in the Euro are supposed to join it, but only once they meet certain conditions. There is currently no time limit on this process.  Source:  FullFact
My bold.

How much clout does Scotland have in the UK?  Scotland's debt?  You mean the proportion of the UK debt that Westminster has apportioned us?

The Euro is a red herring.  We use any currency we like, although we are affected by the monetary policy of the nations' currency that we are adopting..  At some point in the future we can adopt the euro, as it currently stands.

Like it, but, if Scotland becomes independent the “national” level ceases to exist. Maybe your more informed about the benefits of independence than me or is being aligned more important than the outcome for the country ?
 

At a very basic level I'd like my vote to go towards a party I align with and for said vote to stand a chance of making a difference at a national level. All while painting my face blue and shouting "FREEDOM!!!" at passers by of course /s

^Would suggest that there are ways around mobile signal problems at home.
When I moved to Hillswick 10 years ago, the phone would work if I was standing right in the middle of the living room, or lying in the middle of my bed. In effect, no use whatsoever. For the last three or four years though, the mobile phones that I've used operate by connection to the wifi router when I'm in the house. That means the mobile phone works throughout the house now - and that makes a great big difference.
May well be worth considering something like that.

I had exactly the same problem with the lack of SMS on Vodafone Wificall until I updated the software on my iPhone. Now it's text-message-a-go-go

Maybe they would've had more joy with something like this...

Just before the independence referendum I remember the Tories telling us that North Sea oil was about to run out, and lo and behold within a couple of weeks of the No vote winning they announced miraculous new discoveries of oil in the North Sea.  You can only fool people so many times.  Assume everything is a lie or a diversion and you won't go far wrong, because millionaires are not in politics to help any of us.
Johnson is a gift to the SNP though, and Sturgeon always seems to have the upper hand over him.

Watch it, you! Coming on here with your commonsensical words. Pfft!

^ du should put a bid in for da demolition contract. How hard kin it be tae knock stuff ower? 

This guy went to Princeton University and Harvard Law School for goodness sake! Please tell me he knew the Paris Climate Agreement was named after the location the meeting took place and had nothing to do with the "...views of the citizens of Paris..." It could be the case he knew fine well and just said it anyway knowing it would play well with his target audience.
I did like the comeback in the link though...
‘Quick question: do you also believe the Geneva Convention was about the views of the citizens of Geneva?’ Rep Ocasio-Cortez responded
 
 

Interestin!
https://www.heraldscotland.com/news/19020448.scotlands-richest-man-mount-legal-challenge-spaceport/
Mr Povlsen objected to the development on environmental grounds and later announced he had invested more than £1.4 million in a rival spaceport in Shetland.
Dat's an expensive wye tae tak on da planning department  

If he asks/accepts (for) a pardon, is that not an admission of guilt.

The gas plant comparison is very valid, and really highlights the emotive nature of the windfarm issue. The entire gas plant project was developed, proposed and constructed in a fraction of the time of what is now the Viking Energy Windfarm. Caused extensive disruption to peat and of course produces fossil fuels with all the negatives that brings. However, not a pleep in objection.
Partly because if wasn't the "cool thing to object to" on social media, but also because the majority of people who are aware of them, myself included, are willing to balance the benefits both locally and in the bigger picture, with the damage and pollution they cause, knowing better options will come along sooner rather than later.
I'm going to offer a very personal view now. 
I was born in the early 70's. I had no say in Sullom Voe Oil Terminal, though I do know there were councilors for an against at the time, and they were voted for accordingly. I totally understand the huge economic positives the oil industry has brought to Shetland. From roads and leisure, to the care services and beyond. Mismanagement and controversy aside, these funds have played a massive part in Shetland being what it is today, and still do. 
But they came, and come, at a price. As a young man, I had to clean up the dead oily birds from the shore. We had to wear shoes on a summer day at the beach because of tar balls. Even tonight, I look out at the bonny clear sky to the north, as the view south is dominated by the glow of the flare stack (and I live in Yell, for those who don't know).
But no matter where we live. We all need power. Flowing through the power lines that claim the lives of many birds every year held up by ugly "hydro poles" all ower the islands. (Imagine that project starting now) 
So, thought all the local elections and public consultations, I fully supported the cleaner option, and as it developed from when the Susetter windmill went up in the 80's (my personal memory of the potential), voting for "The Windfarm" was the way I went.
Now, at last, after all these decades of hope, I can finally see a sustainable future for Shetland that wir bairns can be proud of. And maybe I will be able to go on the back porch in a few years and see the stars in the southern hemisphere clearly fae hom for the first time. Already I know of at least one young Shetland family of four who have moved back home because of the work and promise from the windfarm. 
 
I posted this opinion, because that's what it is, my opinion, on social media a few weeks ago. It is staggering how many abusive private messages I got before I took it down. Ranging from calling me a liar to just straight up abuse. No fine, but I keen (hope) they're just caught up in mob mentality.
 

Building windfarms, and building and running fossil fuel stations, both have negative environmental consequences. But unless you're comparing specific shared criteria between them then the comparison is pointless - apples and oranges.
I expect that if Viking Energy was built out of sight then the strength of negative feeling about it would be fractional. It's absolutely someones right to object to the visual impact of a development, but that objection often doesn't carry any weight - frustrating for the individual, particularly when they group together and begin to believe that everyone shares their opinion. But from a personal ethics point of view I don't believe my subjective aesthetic opinions should matter much in the big scheme of things.
Most of the discussions I have had with people about the windfarm eventually boils down to the fact they don't like the visual impact, and the statistical / scientific / ethical / legal arguments they use are there to back-up and add substance to an existing aesthetic opinion.
For example, I don't recall any discussion about displaced peat or use of materials during the construction of Sullom Voe or the Gas Plant both of which arguably have a worse environmental impact than Viking Energy - but they're out of sight, out of mind, and after-all folk need energy and jobs, so no need to grapple with difficult ethics and environmental issues.
Disclaimer: the above is not meant to be an attack on people who are anti Viking Energy. It is merely an observation on human nature!

Dis is a splendid drap o dialect! https://www.shetnews.co.uk/2020/12/31/shetland-voices-barbara-fraser/
 

^ The whole thing had a very pompously vexatious ring to it when it was made, a heat of the moment throwing of toys out of the pram in a huff to shut Scott up. Its good to see, for once, 'the system' working as its supposed to.
 
As for apologies or even an acknowledgement they were wrong and out of order on the day, it ain't never gonna happen. Our great and esteemed leaders believe themselves the untouchables.
 
FFS they're just Councillors, the same as the rest of them, that, for the meantime have been chosen to be figure heads and spokespeople for the collective, not bloody President and Prime Minister of Shetland like they act, and some previous holders of the roles have similarly acted.
 
Grandiosity appears to follow the leadership roles these days, and it needs deflating, as its turned the council in to an ego massaging exercise for those concerned rather than them serving Shetland's best interests.

^Not if you're a Karen.
 
 
I got the decided impression he was rather chuffed - "We love you. You're very special." etc. Once his handlers got hold of him again he perhaps wasn't feeling quite so chipper. The public denunciation video the following day (the one he obviously had no hand in writing and clearly did not mean) was fairly tragic too. Then, to top it off, he gets cut off from Twitter; I bet his morning toilet breaks are a lot shorter!
 
Those calling for him to be removed are quite right to do so IMO. Inciting his supporters to do what they did shows very reckless behaviour indeed and I see no way someone like that should be in charge of a Sunday tea never mind the USA. If he was aiming to stage a coup (I doubt it) it was doomed to failure without the police and army on board anyway. By declaring the "insurrectionists" as persona non grata, he's lost a good chunk (but curiously not all!) of his support and made himself more toxic than Swamp Thing.
 
Over the next few days we'll likely be seeing exactly who supports him, whether Pence will do the 25th shuffle and, if none of that gets Trump out of the door: impeachment 2.0. There's also lord-knows-what-else going to happen given the levels of anger from the mob Trump has whipped up behind him.

My advice is that if you ever find yourself using the phrase "once the Woke left establishes a 1 party state in almost all western countries", it's time for a lie down in a quiet darkened room.

Because he only speaks in 2000 year old hebrew.

If you want folk reading your post to understand that, it helps to use accurate terminology, otherwise your point is lost.
 
If you 'don't care what it's called' and use a term you choose to describe it, only you can know for sure what exactly it is you're talking about.

I wonder how many folk do not post here is case NulVoid decides to crap on everything by responding with the usuan barrage of garbage ?
 
In fairness, there may just be one or two points of interest buried in there somewhere, but fom my own personal position, I prefer to skip his/her/it's entire post.  Once, that is, after I have managed to scroll past a series of awful graphics.
NB;  Pretty pictures do not prove anything.  Try reasoned argument instead. If I wanted to see pictures, I would buy The Beano...
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